UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[James R]

That is not a lie because I really do believe it to be true.

The thing about lies, Magical Realist, is that they refer to these things we call facts.

A person lies when he is aware of relevant facts but nevertheless claims that (a) the facts aren't true or (b) he is unaware of the facts.

Thus, the matter of whether somebody is lying can be determined objectively. We need only to ascertain that the liar was aware of the true state of affairs and that he invented a falsehood to refute or deny those facts.

Trying to excuse yourself on the basis that you really believe your own lies won't cut the mustard, I'm afraid. Try to avoid that in future.

 

[James R]

Then you have nothing solid to offer here about what it is. Anybody can speculate all day about possibilities.

That's all you ever do here, is it not?

But that doesn't help us get to the truth, It merely becomes an excuse for not taking the evidence seriously.

Or the lack of evidence. Or the quality, of lack thereof, of the purported evidence.

Fingers crossed that you're finally starting to get how the whole "evidence" thing works. God knows it's been a long time coming.

 

[James R]

And uap as now defined totally refers to the phenomena evidenced in this thread. In fact it suits them even better since the uaps witnessed are defined AS anomalous and so are not explained by anything mundane.

They are "anomalous" in the sense that most detected objects are readily identifiable and quickly identified, whereas a small minority of sightings have not yet been positively IDed. "Anomalous" can also refer to features of the sightings which make them look like the things are behaving in unexpected or unusual ways.

Nothing in the designation "anomalous" implies a jump to the conclusion that the UAP is not or never will be "explainable by anything mundane".

Moreover, before the word "anomalous" we see "unidentified". That is an important word. A thing that has been identified as something not explainable by anything mundane is not a UAP, because it has been identified.

No such objects are currently known to exist.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Maybe they're talking about anomalocarids?

 

[foghorn]

And uap as now defined totally refers to the phenomena evidenced in this thread. In fact it suits them even better since the uaps witnessed are defined AS anomalous and so are not explained by anything mundane.

My bold above

Concerning Magical Realist’s posts on ufos on “this thread”…

I don't speculate on who operates ufos.

So, the following MR post is not speculation.


Sweetpea’s post to MR.

I'm asking for evidence of why you think these ufo pictures you post, are time-travellers, interdimensionals and wotnot, not just your say-so of ''What else could they be?''

MR’s reply:
“There is no other explanation. And the fact that you can't offer one proves it."
My bold below

I already told you. The fact that they are technology far in advance of anything we humans have is evidence they are either from the future, or interdimensionals, or extraterrestrials. There is no other explanation. And the fact that you can't offer one proves it.

AARO Site.

Has the Department found any evidence of extraterrestrial technology?
No. Examination of UAP sightings is ongoing. AARO uses a rigorous scientific framework and data-driven approach to better understand UAP. We will follow the science wherever it leads.

AARO FAQ

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You have no compelling reason to doubt people talking about their first hand experiences. To do so is mentally ill and paranoid. It requires a suspicious paranoia on the level of a conspiracy theorist to think everyone who has a paranormal experience is just lying about it

 

[Magical Realist]

Fascinating 1982 documentary entitled "The UFO Experience" presents a balanced view of the evidence for ufos considering both sides of the debate. Still it includes several compelling cases of ufo contact, even exploring reports of alien abduction. An important film for its time decades before the revived interest by the government and the public in general in the ufo phenomenon. See it here for free:

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

LOL

 

[TheVat]

1982 documentary entitled "The UFO Experience" presents a balanced view of the evidence for ufos considering both sides of the debate.

Better than many I've seen. Looks at cases whose investigations are inconclusive, with clear explanation as to why. I'm respectful of physicists and photographic experts like Bruce Maccabee (who died a few months ago, a loss for the UAP investigation community) who as a US Navy optics expert brought scientific standards to bear on anomalies. I recall Maccabee's judicious comments on cases like the Ilkley Moor incident (not in the docu you posted), that the photograph was “too grainy for proper testing." And I agree with him that the New Zealand sighting (in the docu) is truly anomalous and the high periodicity of its strobing suggestive of an intelligent artifact. Note that he doesn't draw any specific conclusions but notes that more data is needed.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Somewhere far away in space and time Occam is weeping.

 

[(Q)]

Fascinating 1982 documentary entitled "The UFO Experience" presents a balanced view of the evidence for ufos considering both sides of the debate. Still it includes several compelling cases of ufo contact, even exploring reports of alien abduction. An important film for its time decades before the revived interest by the government and the public in general in the ufo phenomenon. See it here for free:

The problem is that alien abductions and anal probing are just so "Eighties" - get with the program and update your alien worldview.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The problem is that alien abductions and anal probing are just so "Eighties" - get with the program and update your alien worldview.

You mean "TAKEN" wasn't a documentary?

 

[(Q)]

"All Tomorrows" is one of my favorite documentaries, the history of humans looking back a billion years from now. It takes abductions and anal probing to a whole new level.

 

[James R]

Fascinating 1982 documentary entitled "The UFO Experience" presents a balanced view of the evidence for ufos considering both sides of the debate. Still it includes several compelling cases of ufo contact, even exploring reports of alien abduction. An important film for its time decades before the revived interest by the government and the public in general in the ufo phenomenon. See it here for free:

This is an advertisement, is it?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've seen that idjit before. (Without opening the quote.) Huckster.

 

[Magical Realist]

Columbia River UFO incident of 1981. Fascinating case of several police officers and a ham radio operator watching a large brilliant sphere of orange light hovering over the Columbia River near St. Helens WA for around 40 minutes. Actual sound of the ufo was recorded by the radio operator and relayed to the police officer. The case is unusual as most ufos are totally silent. In any case, it remains a compelling case backed up by many eyewitnesses to this day:

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And you think it's an alien spaceship?

 

[(Q)]

Those are flying lanterns, you can get them on Amazon. They're also an easy DIY project.

 

[Magical Realist]

Those are flying lanterns, you can get them on Amazon. They're also an easy DIY project.

In 1981 at 4 AM just hovering in place over the Columbia River for 40 minutes so bright it lit up the river and its banks like daylight and making that strange noise that was recorded by the police? Not a chance..

 

[(Q)]

In 1981 at 4 AM just hovering in place over the Columbia River for 40 minutes so bright it lit up the river and its banks like daylight and making that strange noise that was recorded by the police? Not a chance..

Not a chance? You don't even want to hear explanations, you just want an echo chamber.

The video itself is not real because no one was taking a video, all they had was the recording from the radio. Flying lantern, probably a diy project using a small propane tank for camping lanterns/stoves. Once the tank was exhausted, flame goes out and the lantern "disappears"

 

[Magical Realist]

Not a chance? You don't even want to hear explanations, you just want an echo chamber.

The video itself is not real because no one was taking a video, all they had was the recording from the radio. Flying lantern, probably a diy project using a small propane tank for camping lanterns/stoves. Once the tank was exhausted, flame goes out and the lantern "disappears"

LOL Do you even know what a Chinese lantern is?