UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

March 25th cellphone video catch of a uap by a passenger on a plane near a NY airport. The uap is very fast and the video is slowed down to allow examination.
It looks like the UAP appears in only 5 frames of the video.
The shape appears to be disc-like and seen from the side.
It appears to be cigar-shaped. You're just guessing that it could be disc-like and seen from the side.
There are no wings or tail rudders that a conventional aircraft would have.
It's very fuzzy and low res, as these things usually are. Why are you assuming it has no wings? Because you can't make any out?

In any case, not all conventional aircraft have wings, you know.
The sun's reflection on the uap suggests a metallic composition.
Again, you're just making assumptions. Why metallic and not plastic, for instance?
 
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March 25th cellphone video catch of a uap by a passenger on a plane near a NY airport. The uap is very fast and the video is slowed down to allow examination. The shape appears to be disc-like and seen from the side. There are no wings or tail rudders that a conventional aircraft would have. The sun's reflection on the uap suggests a metallic composition.
Unfortunately for the modern UFO community, drones are ubiquitous and can come in all shapes and sizes - including saucers and cigars.

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No wings, no exhaust, and - unless seen from a lucky angle - no signs of propulsion.

The object in the video is consistent with a ducted fan drone seen in normal horizontal orientation.

Doesn't mean that's what it is, it simply means a great big headache for anyone hoping to spot a zebra in a herd of horses that are increasingly looking like zebras (while still being mere horses).



In fact, some crafty fellas appear to be deliberately painting their horses with black and white stripes...

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In addition to the multifarious drone designs and the pervasive presence of that old trickster Parallax... There are all the oddball shaped balloons being released today by festivals, promotional spectacles, and personal hobby projects.

Since tenuously accommodating indigenous beliefs and non-Western science (and even anti-Western sentiments) is a burgeoning part of W.E.I.R.D.'s social justice guilt and redemption process... Perhaps there is also a slot for this folk subculture of projecting mysterious interpretations upon poorly identified phenomena. Given that it is an activity that apparently will never cease no matter how much the "mundane" alternatives/possibilities are pointed out.

The conflicting situation might be resolved by understanding it as socially tolerant "dual signification". Where one culture (partaking in Western critical thinking) either conceives or reveals _X_ to be ordinary. Whereas the diverging (paranormal?) culture superimposes a sublime meaning upon the event.

As a means of clarifying this in a slightly different context... Any lingering cargo cult traditions (below), could still even today resort to "dual signification" as a means for maintaining their belief stances and ritual customs. There is the idea (and observation) that the "goods" are indeed manufactured by Western capitalist processes. But supervening on that physical conception is a parallel semantic representation of the goods also being of spiritual provenance, or conveying mystic values... As well as that future hope of massive amounts of goods being delivered to the native peoples by covert divine manipulation (perhaps corresponding physically to an emergence of global socialist utopia and wealth redistribution).

cargo cult: Since the modern manufacturing process is unknown to them [at least back in the old days -- which no longer seems a feasible reason for the behavior], members, leaders, and prophets of the cults maintain that the manufactured goods of the non-native culture have been created by spiritual means, such as through their deities and ancestors. These goods are intended for the local indigenous people, but the foreigners have unfairly gained control of these objects through malice or mistake. Thus, a characteristic feature of cargo cults is the belief that spiritual agents will, at some future time, give much valuable cargo and desirable manufactured products to the cult members.
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Perhaps there is also a slot for this folk subculture of projecting mysterious interpretations upon poorly identified phenomena.

Fortunately we have a large enough body of data spanning a century and a half of multiply-witnessed and video/photographically recorded appearances of uaps that we don't have to dismiss the continued sightings of them as mere psychological projections of wishful believers. That wouldn't be very scientifically objective now would it? :)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pi.../UFO-sightings-140-years-of-UFO-pictures.html

https://www.huckmag.com/article/inside-greatest-ufo-archive
 
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Fortunately we have a large enough body of data spanning decades on multiply-witnessed and video/photographically recorded appearances of uaps that we don't have to dismiss the continued sightings of them as mere psychological projections of wishful believers. That wouldn't be very scientifically objective now would it? :)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pi.../UFO-sightings-140-years-of-UFO-pictures.html

https://www.huckmag.com/article/inside-greatest-ufo-archive

Ideally, after further refinement and development, "dual signification" would be a diplomatic perspective outside both "hard science and skeptic community" and the believers camp.

Again, it's an acceptance (or resignation to the expectation?) that the two cultures (among many) will continue to co-exist and must invent means to tolerate or respect each other. (Especially as Western standards and meritocracy lose dominance in a world slowly and politically returning to a retro-future version of its pre-colonial diversity of the past.)

Though currently or in the short urn-- when considered within either of the two camps or orientations themselves, the events or phenomena will be disparaged or elevated as they usually are.

Even in the Believers culture, the UAPs may be interpreted as anything from "naturally possible in theory" spacecraft (ET sources) to short-lived aberrations equivalent to glitches in the Matrix. One can't rule out a spectrum likewise being cultivated in the opposing culture of critical standards, though the conclusions one might often encounter may not resemble any kind of gradient.

Radical social justice equality of population groups and their cultural systems and beliefs will require a complex of superposed interpretative tendencies or schools of thought that cooperate diplomatically with each other, rather than via the reciprocal hostilities and condescension of today. (I.e., the tentative "dual signification" dichotomy of conceiving events or attributing different meanings to them may have to evolve to a "plural signification" at some point.)
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The conflicting situation might be resolved by understanding it as socially tolerant "dual signification". Where one culture (partaking in Western critical thinking) either conceives or reveals _X_ to be ordinary. Whereas the diverging (paranormal?) culture superimposes a sublime meaning upon the event.
This sounds suspiciously similar to the Middle Ground Fallacy: the idea that, given two (mutually exclusive) opposing views on some given issue, a compromise, or middle ground, is a valid (or only) option.

(Imagine the Right-to-Lifers and the Right-to-Choicers being told that the best compromise is to allow 50% of women to have their needs met.)
 
'Scientifically objective' would be to tally up all confirmed cases during those 140 years of events.

Who decides when a case or a photo of a uap is "confirmed"? Skeptics who are on a fanatical mission to rid the world of all evidence of uaps? I think not. Besides, doesn't the very name "uap" entail a phenomenon existing that is unconfirmed to be anything we are familiar with? A uap is quite literally "unconfirmed" or unidentified by its very nature.
 
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This sounds suspiciously similar to the Middle Ground Fallacy: the idea that, given two (mutually exclusive) opposing views on some given issue, a compromise, or middle ground, is a valid (or only) option.

(Imagine the Right-to-Lifers and the Right-to-Choicers being told that the best compromise is to allow 50% of women to have their needs met.)

Dual signification (as a tentative proposal) would be a semantic or interpretative context, not a quantitative one. Similar to how the word "fair" has multiple meanings superposed upon it, or a man named Tom may be a husband, a father, a philanderer, a dentist, and so-forth simultaneously.

One might alternatively say that _X_ just has multiple properties, but if one faction considers some of those to be non-existent, then for the sake of future diplomacy the effort probably has to backtrack to an earlier stage of how different population groups, cultures, or thought orientations interpret _X_.

The skeptic community surely feels that it has little reason to respect or accommodate the conclusions or beliefs of UAP buffs about _X_ events. But -- who knows -- that may change in the future. As postcolonial reformation marches on and the privileged status of critical-thinking standards potentially topple in dominance due to their association with Western oppression/atrocities (or whatever submitted reasons that demand justice). The old guard knows how to defend itself against Christian incursions, and today's limited or non-existent retributions to career in that respect. But not the theories and ideological output of the humanities, and reprisals from movements and institute administrations catering to such.[1]

Just as scholars adept in social policy have prepared templates in advance for robot and AI rights (and in the past for the recovery of shattered native cultures), it wouldn't be unusual to pre-maturely lay the groundwork for how even paranormal believers and skeptics can respect and accept each other in the future. Perhaps analogous to anthropologists and archeologists being inclusive and considerate of regional oral traditions. (Why is the society for American Archaeology promoting indigenous creationism?)

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[1] scientist: "OMG. They're accusing me of racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. I have to hide under my desk. What do I do?"

DEI angel: "Never fear, Privileged One. I am here to guide you on the path to humility, recovery and redemption."

scientist: "Oh, thank you. Bless you for dropping a rope to salvation. All is not lost for me."
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Fortunately we have a large enough body of data spanning a century and a half of multiply-witnessed and video/photographically recorded appearances of uaps that we don't have to dismiss the continued sightings of them as mere psychological projections of wishful believers. That wouldn't be very scientifically objective now would it?
No, especially since so many of them are mistaken sightings of the planet Venus.
 
Who decides when a case or a photo of a uap is "confirmed"?
Every individual is either convinced it's the aliens, or they aren't, regardless of how much evidence there is for and against that contention.

I mean, some people are gullible fools who will believe any old thing. Others have more sensible standards.
Besides, doesn't the very name "uap" entail a phenomenon existing that is unconfirmed to be anything we are familiar with?
It does not. The 'U' in UAP stands for 'unidentified'.

Unidentified thigs have not been confirmed to be something we are unfamiliar with because ... they haven't been identified yet. (Duh!)
A uap is quite literally "unconfirmed" or unidentified by its very nature.
And hence, by its very nature, not yet identified as something that is unfamiliar to us. Right?
 
Every individual is either convinced it's the aliens, or they aren't, regardless of how much evidence there is for and against that contention.

I guess then I'm unconvinced it's aliens since I admit I have no idea who or what is behind them. But then I'm not convinced it isn't aliens either.

And hence, by its very nature, not yet identified as something that is unfamiliar to us. Right?

It's simply unidentified. But based on its attributes and behavior, it certainly seems to be something we are unfamiliar with. How many metallic discs or silver spheres or 40 ft tic tacs do you know of that can zip around, hover in place, stop on a dime, and silently dart away at speeds of up to Mach 2?
 
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How could you possibly know something like that?
Two extensive official government investigations have documented it, for starters.
Here, I'll make it easier for you:

Of the vintage photographs of uaps I linked to below, how many are the planet Venus?
At a quick glance, it looks like none of them. But this is a biased sample, obviously.

How many of the things in the photographs are alien spaceships? Are any of them alien spaceships?
 
Two extensive official government investigations have documented it, for starters.

Which ones? Project Bluebook that also came up with the theory of swamp gas to account for some uaps? lol

At a quick glance, it looks like none of them. But this is a biased sample, obviously.

They're exactly what they are claimed to be: classic and compelling photos of uaps. What else do you expect them to be? What do you say that they are?

How many of the things in the photographs are alien spaceships? Are any of them alien spaceships?

Who claimed they are alien spaceships? I must have overlooked that statement on the website.
 
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I guess then I'm unconvinced it's aliens since I admit I have no idea who or what is behind them. But then I'm not convinced it isn't aliens either.
Then you and I are in a similar, skeptical position. Congratulations on finally coming around.

The only difference between you and me now is that I have some ideas about what some of these things could be, other than aliens.
It's simply unidentified.
So, we agree again. Great!
But based on its attributes and behavior, it certainly seems to be something we are unfamiliar with.
What are you on about? You keep speaking as if UAPs all demonstrate the same attributes and behaviours, but they clearly do nothing of the kind.
How many metallic discs or silver spheres or 40 ft tic tacs do you know of that can zip around, hover in place, stop on a dime, and silently dart away at speeds of up to Mach 2?
None. How many do you know of?

Which ones? Project Bluebook that also came up with the theory of swamp gas to account for some uaps? lol
Are you feeling nervous again?
 
What are you on about? You keep speaking as if UAPs all demonstrate the same attributes and behaviours, but they clearly do nothing of the kind.

Really? I wholeheartedly beg to differ!

Here's 5 traits common to uaps that have been observed and that suggest a technology beyond present human capabilities:

https://tothestars.media/blogs/press-and-news/five-characteristics-unique-to-uaps

"There are five, consistent observations we continue to see that are uniquely associated with Unidentified Aerial Phenomena or UAPs. Understanding these characteristics and their application requires us to have a very good understanding of advanced physics at the quantum level. "

Oh, and lest we forget the findings of the Pentagon's AARO:

"The panel teased the findings as part of a new study into the presence of UAPs, which, unlike UFOs, can include unexplained phenomena in oceans, space and on the ground. The full study is expected to be released later this summer.

Sean Kirkpatrick, director of the U.S. Department of Defense’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), said the “metallic orbs” are the most common type of UAPs and are reported from “all over the world.”

Kirkpatrick said the spherical objects, which are about one to four metres in diameter, are not an “apparent threat to airborne-asset safety.” They are, however, capable of “very interesting apparent manoeuvres.”

The orbs have been spotted flying at several different velocities. Some do not appear to move at all while others have been observed in active flight. The UAPs do not show evidence of “thermal exhaust,” like heat created by a vehicle’s engine.

Based on footage, the orbs can be white, silver or translucent. They are usually observed at an altitude between 10,000 and 30,000 feet, around the same height as most commercial aircraft."--- https://globalnews.ca/news/9746110/metallic-flying-orbs-nasa-pentagon-panel-ufos-uaps/

And let's not forget that other 2021 report on uaps by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence:

"According to the report, there were 18 incidents reported in which the UAPs that were seen featured some sort of "unusual movement patterns or flight characteristics" including propulsion or other technology that wasn't evident and that could be advanced. Eleven of the incidents reported were near misses with military planes, the report said.

"Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion," the report said, in describing those incidents. "In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings," the report added.

The report also said "there was some clustering of UAP observations regarding shape, size, and, particularly, propulsion" and that "UAP sightings also tended to cluster around U.S. training and testing grounds."--- https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-t-explain-143-144-mysterious-flying-n1272390
 
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Some interesting accounts of seeing uaps can be found here. You can form your own opinion. But bear in mind a firsthand encounter with a uap by multiple eyewitnesses is not something you can easily shrug off nor should it be. Below is one of the posted compelling accounts.

https://www.quora.com/How-can-you-t...ated-not-real-footage-from-an-actual-sighting

"Fully, 95–98 percent of reported sightings of unidentified aerial objects are either misidentifications of natural or human-made objects, or else they're plain and simple hoaxes.

In April 2012, I and a friend, Bill, witnessed a large, boomerang-shaped object, without running lights, moving eerily slowly and absolutely silently. I'm very happy the sighting included a witness, a witness who spotted it first and pointed it out to me. I sent a letter to the local newspaper reporting the sighting in detail. As soon as it hit print I was contacted by a person who had seen the same object, same shape, no running lights, absolutely silent, seen on the same night, and she was so happy that someone else had seen it. I felt the same way, so happy my friend had seen it first.

A month or so later, I encountered a longtime friend, Ray, and his wife at my favorite coffee shop. After small talk pleasantries, his face went stone-blank, and he says, quietly, I saw it, and the five couples enjoying our backyard cookout saw it too. His wife chimes in saying she didn’t see it.

The night I’d seen it, Bill had asked me if I’d noticed it fading in and out like a “malfunctioning cloaking device.” It never looked that way to me.

Just after we’d said goodby to Ray, he said hey I’ve got one more question. Did the craft make any sound. None whatsoever I answered. He nodded his head.

After returning from my honeymoon in June, a young man, Neil, who worked at a nearby liquor store walked up to the counter and the first words out of his stone face were, “Where have you been?” I laughed. On my honeymoon. You knew that. He nodded then said, “I saw it too, and with a friend thank goodness, and it didn’t make a sound.”

A total of 16 people saw this craft on three different occasions.

Besides the OMG-ness I experienced in the moment, the next eye-opener has come from sharing the story with people. People fall into three categories: the apathetic, the open-minded, and the "ain't no way that's extraterrestrial ... no freakin' way." I've experienced the latter category one-on-one and in a group setting. They truly do their best to find a "normal" explanation for my sighting and any abnormal event, the best being a local scientist friend who explained that I had seen "atmospheric light interference pattern and/or diffraction pattern moving with high phase velocity," which, admittedly, is quite creative.

When I relate the story to the open-minded, sometimes I see a gentle jealousy in their eyes. "Dang, I wish I could see something like that." Or, they might surprise me with a story of their own. Sometimes, they are people I've known for 10-20 years, but until I shared my story, I'd never heard them mention UFOs. Why? The fear of ridicule.

That's unfortunate. Although no one has any obligation to believe me, I know I saw it. It's part of my life experience, now. And, I know whatever it was, it defies any "normal" explanation. I also know this: Members of the "ain't no freaking way" school almost never have investigated the history of UFO sightings, and of the few that have, fewer have approached the topic with an open mind.

People from all walks of life have made credible reports, teachers, scientists, engineers, doctors, military and civilian pilots, military and civilian air traffic controllers, police, elected officials. The list goes on and on, sober people often in positions of high responsibility. "Something" is in our skies above, the something isn't swamp gas or a diffraction pattern moving with high phase velocity, and in many instances, the something appears to be under intelligent control.

In closing, the universe is an unimaginably vast expanse. We've no reason to assume we are the only intelligent beings in the universe. Astronomers are finding planets everywhere they look. Think back fifty years. Think of the technological advances you've seen. Think how they have affected your daily life. Now, extrapolate our technology 1,000 years into the future. The universe is estimated to be 13.7 billion years old, so extrapolate technology 10,000 years into the future, or a million ... or a billion years.

Yeah………."
 
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Another cellphone video from Facebook. A passenger on a plane is (plausibly) recording the view outside the window. An object is seen speeding by the plane. The video is slowed down and the object is magnified for examination. What the hell? The uap is bizarre even by believers' standards! Does not appear faked or CGI at all. A stunning capture of solid uap evidence!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/944338943650631
 
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