Trump's legal woes

The cynical analysis, of course, is that the Court will hand down its decision in Trump's favor when the majority figures a way around that.
From reading commentary, it would seem that SCOTUS were uninspired by arguments from either side, and therefore finding a way to let Trump go free will be difficult.
However, I do think they'll rule in a manner that benefits Trump, in a way that will serve to delay his various trials at least until after the election. I think they will rule that the President has immunity for official acts as President but not for acts outside the scope of that office. I think they will then rule that it should be for the court system to determine whether or not an act is within or outside such immunity.
This will then add layers of additional decisions to be made by the courts, and thus delay any trial - if the courts/judge determine there is no immunity for the act in question - beyond November.

It shouldn't affect the ongoing hush-miney trial as at no point was he President while this transpired, although he has argued that since some of the evidence is from his time as President that this evidence should be excluded due to said immunity.

I see there's also another "scandal" uncovered - beyond Trump being incontinent and stinking any room he's in - in that he offered jobs at the White House in exchange for people not testifying against him... or something like that.
So expect even more prosecution should he lose the election.
 
Next Level

Michael Cohen ought to win some sort of award, come year-end. Within the last couple weeks, the convicted felon and notorious former Trump operative trolled the Donald at least twice on X before one or another lawyer told him to stop; Cohen apologized in a subequent post and promised to keep his mouth shut.

Anyway, Trump's lawyers took the time to make a complaint about it, and nobody ought say they shouldn't, but the sum effect is some next-level trolling, because today attorney Todd Blanche, with his client sitting right beside him, entered into the record the derogatory moniker, Baron von Shitzenpants.

(Background: This comes after a brutal voir dire in which Trump had to sit by and hear someone read out all manner of insults, such as when Judge Marchan asked a pool juror about a post that said, "fuck that treasonous orange shitgibbon and the dead ferret on his head", and the juror responded, "The tweet speaks for itself, Your Honor." As he attends the stations of his criminal trial, defendant Donald Trump finds himself repeatedly insulted on the record. Sometimes jurors read their statements; in at least the one case, Judge Marchand read the insulting statement; today it was Trump's attorney's turn.)
 
This comes after a brutal voir dire in which Trump had to sit by and hear someone read out all manner of insults, such as when Judge Marchan asked a pool juror about a post that said, "fuck that treasonous orange shitgibbon and the dead ferret on his head", and the juror responded, "The tweet speaks for itself, Your Honor."

This was fact checked as false.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/potential-juror-tweet-read-aloud-trump-trial/

The earliest post we found on X using this language went up on April 16, 2024, and no reporting from before or on that date corroborates that such a reading took place in front of Trump in court. We were unable to find any verified reporting from news organizations that stated such a tweet had been read aloud during court proceedings. Were such a tweet indeed on the record, it would have been in the news. We thus rate this claim as "False."

(none of this is to imply that I find that vivid description inaccurate, though I remain uncertain what precisely a shitgibbon is - in cladistic terms, does the shit prefix pinpoint a common ancestor which achieved a certain tier of shittiness which then led to a lineage of gibbons that constitute a distinct subspecies? Or is there a broader clade of shit-apes that somehow branched off from the main ape line and favors failed symbiotic relationships with ferrets?)
 
This was fact checked as false.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/potential-juror-tweet-read-aloud-trump-trial/

The earliest post we found on X using this language went up on April 16, 2024, and no reporting from before or on that date corroborates that such a reading took place in front of Trump in court. We were unable to find any verified reporting from news organizations that stated such a tweet had been read aloud during court proceedings. Were such a tweet indeed on the record, it would have been in the news. We thus rate this claim as "False."

(none of this is to imply that I find that vivid description inaccurate, though I remain uncertain what precisely a shitgibbon is - in cladistic terms, does the shit prefix pinpoint a common ancestor which achieved a certain tier of shittiness which then led to a lineage of gibbons that constitute a distinct subspecies? Or is there a broader clade of shit-apes that somehow branched off from the main ape line and favors failed symbiotic relationships with ferrets?)

Whatever,it would be a calumny against any gibbon I have cognisance of.
Ferrets can be vicious, though as can minks.

As for the most up to date description regarding the noble lineage of incontinent Germans can we rely on Mr Cohen for accuracy?
 
How unfortunate.


I was prepared to believe that Stormy spanked Trump with a rolled up issue of Forbes, with pics of his children and himself on the cover, but sadly that was also shot down by timeline analysis, so will have to be content with a rolled up issue of Trump magazine. More narcissism, less depravity, it matters not to Trumpistas how those dials are adjusted.
 
Jury are currently deliberating in the "hush-money" trial... verdict by end of the week?

The other trials are seemingly stalled - especially the Mar-a-Lago "documents" case, presided over by Aileen Cannon - a more biased and atrocious judge you couldn't possibly see... other than on the Supreme Court, at least! ;)
 
Jury have reached a verdict... c.30 minutes to fill in the paperwork before they can announce... exciting times, either way.

Edit:
GUILTY!!!
On all 34 counts!

1st former president to be convicted of a criminal charge.
 
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The loud and clangy version suits my needs:

「It is you, oh yeah, I said, pressure drop, oh, pressure, oh, yeah, pressure drop a drop on you.
When it drops, oh, you got a feelin', oh, that you been doin' wrong. It is you, oh yeah.」
 
GUILTY!!!
On all 34 counts!
Honestly I am surprised that Trump et al wasn't able to get to at least one juror and make the sort of threats/promises that would have resulted in no convictions. It's good to see the system working as intended.

It will take a little while for the case to make its way to the Supreme Court, and another further while until Trump finds enough donors to buy Alitot/Thomas's votes - but for now he's a convicted felon.
 
Honestly I am surprised that Trump et al wasn't able to get to at least one juror and make the sort of threats/promises that would have resulted in no convictions. It's good to see the system working as intended.
Indeed. While I am giddy with joy and schadenfreude at his fate, I am more relieved and enheartened that the world is not quite as terrible as it has seemed for the better part of a decade. The system worked. That's the real news here.
 
Next question: Does he have grounds for an appeal?

If I understand the (American) justice system correctly, an appeal is not automatically granted. It has to be deemed as having merit.

It is my assumption that this is why the judge was so forgiving of his bad behavior and lunacy - so as to obviate any chance of appeal. The judge wanted it to stick - once and for all.
 
Honestly I am surprised that Trump et al wasn't able to get to at least one juror and make the sort of threats/promises that would have resulted in no convictions.
I'm surprised that juror selection process was rigorous enough to weed out the possibility that at least one out of 12 jurors was a rested-on Trump supporter. After all, the verdict had to be unanimous for each count - something not required in many other jurisdictions, due to the difficulty of getting a random group of 12 people to all agree on anything.

All it would take to result in a hung jury is a single hold-out jury member who was unwilling to listen to reason from the other 11. It happens fairly often in cases that are far less politically charged than this one was.

Kudos to the jurors here, whose identities will probably end up published by somebody, after which they will be likely subjected to various forms of harassment by fanatical members of the MAGA mob.

From the start, of course, Trump wanted the venue changed for this trial, because he was fully aware that New York's population is heavily skewed towards Democrat voters. For Trump, just about anywhere else would have been preferable. No surprises, then, that one of his immediate complaints after the trial was that the judge had denied his request for a change in venue. That complaint came in the midst of a bunch of personal allegations against the judge regarding bias and such. The gag orders the judge imposed earlier on Trump making personal statements ironically did not apply to statements about the judge himself, although understandably they did apply in respect of the judge's family members, whom Trump also criticised earlier in the trial.
It's good to see the system working as intended.
Indeed.

In addition, if, as seems likely, this outcome causes enough fence-sitter potential voters to change their decision about voting for Trump in the upcoming election, that might be enough to swing the election for Biden.

In recent polls, up to 20% or so of likely Republican voters have said that they might reconsider their vote if Trump was a convicted felon. When push comes to shove, If even one quarter of those people go through with what they said, that could also swing the election, provided that it happens in the battleground states.
It will take a little while for the case to make its way to the Supreme Court, and another further while until Trump finds enough donors to buy Alitot/Thomas's votes - but for now he's a convicted felon.
Any appeal on this likely won't be heard until after the election. IIRC, the sentencing will happen in July. This is only a Class E felony - the lowest level felony that New York has - so Trump is unlikely to go to jail for this.

There are still three other cases in the wings for Trump, none of which is likely to be heard before the election now. So, what Biden said after this result is correct: the only way to be sure that Trump doesn't get a second term is to vote to keep him out of the White House.
 
If I understand the (American) justice system correctly, an appeal is not automatically granted.
Are there places where appeals are automatically granted?

Typically, one needs to seek leave to appeal to a higher court. The grounds for appeals in criminal cases usually boil down to (a) new facts coming to light that prima facie suggest that the wrong decision was reached in the initial case, or (b) errors of law were made in the initial trial (by the trial judge).

In some cases, it is possible to appeal against the severity of the sentence handed down for a crime. That doesn't eliminate the conviction; it merely has a chance of reducing the penalty.
 
Kudos to the jurors here, whose identities will probably end up published by somebody, after which they will be likely subjected to various forms of harassment by fanatical members of the MAGA mob.
From my understanding, the jurors will remain anonymous unless they themselves decide to come forward.
 
I believe there is an automatic right of appeal here, and there are plenty of areas for appeal, but whether they have merit remains to be seen.
Also bear in mind that this was a state case, not federal, so appeals would max out at the New York supreme court, not the US Supreme Court, unless there is some federal issue for appeal.
As such, unless it gets to the Supreme Court, it will remain a state case and thus a conviction he would not be able to pardon himself of were he to regain the White House.

On the issue of the trial being held in that particular district, and whether or not he could get a fair trial, the DC court of appeals has just voted a 3-0 decision that the politics of a state/district has no bearing on the expected fairness and thus no justification for a change of venue. Two of the three were Republican-appointees.
While this is the DC court and was in reference to another case entirely, it is a precedent that NY will almost certainly follow, and will also scupper Trump's appeal on this matter in his own DC case. The argument goes that one's political view doesn't mean that one can't be impartial in matters of law, and that any bias a juror might have should be identified as part of the voir dire process, that has operated without issue for the past 250 years.

Unfortunately Trump and his MAGA cult followers are of the opinion that if they win a trial or an election then everything is okay, but if they lose then it is obviously rigged and biased against them. Just look at the various senior republicans who are refusing to say that they will accept the result of the election if the Dems win.

Anyhoo, there are other grounds, such as what the second crime actually was, and whether it should have been explicitly stated and agreed upon by the jurors, as for the misdemeanor of falsification to be a felon it just needs to be done to cover up another crime... the judge explicitly told the jurors that they didn't need to be unanimous on what that other crime was, only that there was one.

There's also a possible statute of limitations question (not sure of the details), and then all the rulings against trump by merchan, plus whether merchan should have recused himself for the 35 USD donation to the Democrats, a matter for which he did get a reprimand but not enough for recusal (compared this to Alito's upsidedown flag debacle).

Anyhoo, it will be a long appeals process and not one that has much chance of happening before the election.
 
Bad side to this is that it could elevate his martyr status and help win him the election.
Does that sound too far fetched?
 
Bad side to this is that it could elevate his martyr status and help win him the election.
Does that sound too far fetched?
No ,but arguably the due legal process is just as important as the democratic process.

Both processes should be considered as a work in progress.

I think the Gaza conflict could be as dererminant to the result as anything.

The pro Palestinians in America seem to be holding Biden's feet to the fire for now and ,maybe think that the survival of the American "democracy" does not need to be addressed as the primary concern.
 
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