Trump and Venezuela.

exchemist said:
Oh they are irrelevant. The US already has a base inGreenland and I’m quite sure the Greenlanders would have no objection to that being expanded, if the US buys the land it would need for that. So why would the US need to own the whole territory?

No, Trump wants to own Greenland to extract its minerals: rare earths and fossil fuel https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20250121-the-enormous-challenge-of-mining-greenland

The strategic defence crap is just a figleaf.
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They would sell him mineral rights as well. It's more about what Stephen Miller wants though it appears.
 
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Carry on.
 
Was reading an article in the Spectator that suggests this was done to counter Chinese presence in the region in light of a forthcoming conflict around Taiwan where missiles on Venezuelan soil would be a deterrence to US involvement around Taiwan.
 
geordief said:
Was reading an article in the Spectator that suggests this was done to counter Chinese presence in the region in light of a forthcoming conflict around Taiwan where missiles on Venezuelan soil would be a deterrence to US involvement around Taiwan.
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Bullshit. But the sort of Trumpy disinformation one finds these days in the Spectator, I’m afraid. You can see from Trump’s crowing that he is salivating, dinosaur that he is, at the prospect of oil. Even though that won’t in reality do anything significant for the USA.
 
James R said:
Please, don't you start advocating illegal violence. I don't want to have to issue a warning to you.
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A sign of the times perhaps. Europe could soon be at war with the USA, as a result of people like Miller. Greenland is Denmark’s Falklands.
 
exchemist said:
Bullshit. But the sort of Trumpy disinformation one finds these days in the Spectator, I’m afraid. You can see from Trump’s crowing that he is salivating, dinosaur that he is, at the prospect of oil. Even though that won’t in reality do anything significant for the USA.
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The main thing is that America breaks the law and gives carte blanche to other actors to do the same.

Unto Putin what is Putin's ,unto Xi what is Xi's etc etc.

But there can be more than one motive (or specious defense) of his actions.

VZ's oil could be more valuable to deprive his enemies' of (his own people are also his enemy) than it is to America itself.

He has oil on the "brain" but also any resources....
 
geordief said:
The main thing is that America breaks the law and gives carte blanche to other actors to do the same.

Unto Putin what is Putin's ,unto Xi what is Xi's etc etc.

But there can be more than one motive (or specious defense) of his actions.

VZ's oil could be more valuable to deprive his enemies' of (his own people are also his enemy) than it is to America itself.

He has oil on the "brain" but also any resources....
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True. And Venezuela was supplying a fair bit to China I gather.

But it's all a waste of time. As I keep reminding everyone who raises the subject of oil, it is a globally traded commodity. So it is a mirage to imagine you can somehow grab hold of an oil supply all for yourself, at a price below global market level. No oil production company will treat a supply source as captive and give you below market terms. This will do nothing for the price of gasol-leen at the pump in Buttfuck Nowhere, Arkansas, except insofar as it further depresses the global crude price.
 
exchemist said:
True. And Venezuela was supplying a fair bit to China I gather.

But it's all a waste of time. As I keep reminding everyone who raises the subject of oil, it is a globally traded commodity. So it is a mirage to imagine you can somehow grab hold of an oil supply all for yourself, at a price below global market level. No oil production company will treat a supply source as captive and give you below market terms. This will do nothing for the price of gasol-leen at the pump in Buttfuck Nowhere, Arkansas, except insofar as it further depresses the global crude price.
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Does that apply during armed conflict?For instance can Russia run low on supplies fighting as it is an ongoing war
 
geordief said:
Does that apply during armed conflict?For instance can Russia run low on supplies fighting as it is an ongoing war
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That’s obviously a different issue as it would be a matter of physical supply. Irrelevant in the case of the USA.
 
TheVat said:
I think there was originally a military purpose in placing a Latin alphabet letter on military equipment and persons, to prevent friendly fire and designate specific units. V and Z both were used along with a couple other Latin letters. However, now the Z has become a symbol of patriotic support of the the war, according to military analysts.
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Почему именно VZ? И почему на латиннице?
 
Tiassa said:
No, that's just Nebraska.
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Oh, that's right.

Regardless, from the top of the hill and with binoculars I could see a bunch of Palestinians dancing on the rooftops in Nebraska following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Or maybe they were Israelis.
 
exchemist said:
But it's all a waste of time. As I keep reminding everyone who raises the subject of oil, it is a globally traded commodity. So it is a mirage to imagine you can somehow grab hold of an oil supply all for yourself, at a price below global market level. No oil production company will treat a supply source as captive and give you below market terms. This will do nothing for the price of gasol-leen at the pump in Buttfuck Nowhere, Arkansas, except insofar as it further depresses the global crude price.
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The spouse and I always chuckle at the way Arkansas (where she grew up) if often invoked as the symbol of rural and regressive America. It is fair to say that after the year her family lived in outer London, she was way ahead of her classmates when she returned to AR - and they lived in the state's main university town, with the best school system.

I wonder if the VZ thing is partly about just starving Cuba of petrel. If they can shut off what comes from VZ and put the thumbscrews on Mexico not to make up the shortfall, then that could pretty much implode what's left of Cuba's economy. (/pure speculation)
 
You guys are all over the place. Venezuela is suppling oil to Cuba at a steep discounts and in return for Cuban services as well. The recent (several months) blockage by the US of Venezuela oil shipments did hit Cuba hard.

The US doesn't need the oil. The US companies that Trump wants to go in there to fix the oil infrastructure, largely, aren't going to want to do it. The oil is extra heavy crude, hard to extract, isn't economical to extract much more than current levels at current oil prices. It's also not exactly a stable environment to be sinking money into for the next 10 years.

They (Trump admin) just want to get the "foreign actors" out of there and ultimately get rid of the current regime. I'm not even sure if Trump has a clue but Steven Miller does. Trump just talks and brags and sometimes it makes sense and usually it doesn't. Rubio has to clean up his comments all the time.

Trump talks about Greenland, Canada being the 51th state while Miller seems to be more behind the actual policies involved. I'd guess Cuba will "change" in some way in the not too distant future.. Venezuela will as well as long as they don't just stop with Maduro.

As for the rest, who knows?
 
TheVat said:
I wonder if the VZ thing is partly about just starving Cuba of petrel. If they can shut off what comes from VZ and put the thumbscrews on Mexico not to make up the shortfall, then that could pretty much implode what's left of Cuba's economy. (/pure speculation)
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Am beginning to wonder if we should cancel our trip to Cuba before it implodes.
Not kidding.
 
Seattle said:
You guys are all over the place. Venezuela is suppling oil to Cuba at a steep discounts and in return for Cuban services as well. The recent (several months) blockage by the US of Venezuela oil shipments did hit Cuba hard.

The US doesn't need the oil. The US companies that Trump wants to go in there to fix the oil infrastructure, largely, aren't going to want to do it. The oil is extra heavy crude, hard to extract, isn't economical to extract much more than current levels at current oil prices. It's also not exactly a stable environment to be sinking money into for the next 10 years.

They (Trump admin) just want to get the "foreign actors" out of there and ultimately get rid of the current regime. I'm not even sure if Trump has a clue but Steven Miller does. Trump just talks and brags and sometimes it makes sense and usually it doesn't. Rubio has to clean up his comments all the time.

Trump talks about Greenland, Canada being the 51th state while Miller seems to be more behind the actual policies involved. I'd guess Cuba will "change" in some way in the not too distant future.. Venezuela will as well as long as they don't just stop with Maduro.

As for the rest, who knows?
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It was Miller’s wife who posted that Greenland would be next, about 48hrs ago.
 
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