Trump 2.0

Funds for those $5000 will come from the tariffs.

Months ago, he promised $2000 to each American from the same tariffs. Later those $2000 were adjusted to $1700 and checks were ready to be sent very soon. Next was the announcement that the $1700 in question must pass -I think- thru Congress. Continuing with the promise, that promise has not been mentioned anymore.

President Bush said, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
Sure, he can try to explain it however he wants. The issue, if he's not just lying through his teeth again, is that the US is already forecast to add $2tn to the debt this year, and that is already after considering tariff income.
So, unless he increases tariff revenue by an additional $1+ trillion, he's promising payments that will be funded by an increase in national debt.

And, as you say, it will need to be approved by Congress, in which there are likely sufficient budget-hawksnon the Rep side of the aisle to quash simply giving everyone $5k, most of which will likely be saved rather than spent, or spent on current expenditure that people are struggling with rather than anything additional.
It's a gimmick.
 
Can I sue Trump for the $5k when I do not receive it?
No.
First, the Republicans would need to win both the House and the Senate.
Then, unfortunately for you, campaign promises are not considered to be contracts. They're protected political speeches and expressions of intent. A vote is also not qualify as "consideration" necessary for a contract. That would be different if the money was handed out up front, and the vote given in exchange for money. I also think courts recognise that reality changes, and that governments renege on campaign promises, unfortunately, all the time, even with the best will in the world.
The best remedy for what you might consider to be a broken promise would be to vote for the opposition at the next election.
OR, just a suggestion, if you were genuinely thinking of voting Republican at the mid-terms, you could just assume that this $5k cheque will never be forthcoming, that Trump lied, and so get your own back pre-emptively by... voting Democrat! Just a suggestion. ;)
 
A better proposal: tomorrow first time in the morning the president gives a legislation to reduce the gas price to $2.59 per gallon, lowering the food and general products including traveling prices to 2024s levels, and Republicans receive the necessary votes to maintain the majority in Senate and House.

Having the current economy in such a great status as the president claims, I don't think he will have any objection to reduce the gasoline price and the rest of goods. No matter if after November's elections everything cost higher again.

Plus, he won't need to give the promised $5000 to anyone. ;)
 
Am I reading this right? If I’m a Democrat who pays the tariffs then the money goes to a Republican. It’s either a masterstroke or madness if so.
It would go to all Americans (adult). Supposedly. If he's to be believed (he's not) and if Congress would pass the policy (they won't), and that's assuming Republicans retain the House AND Senate (not many are taking that bet).
If there are sufficient numbers who believe him and vote for him because of this that they win both House and Senate then, well, it really would be a masterstroke, and America really would continue to deserve what they get.
 
It would go to all Americans (adult). Supposedly. If he's to be believed (he's not) and if Congress would pass the policy (they won't), and that's assuming Republicans retain the House AND Senate (not many are taking that bet).
If there are sufficient numbers who believe him and vote for him because of this that they win both House and Senate then, well, it really would be a masterstroke, and America really would continue to deserve what they get.
As a voter then, all one has to do is vote Republican, collect $5G with the luxury of knowing you could someday deny you ever voted for it should Trump continue on in his quest and behaviour or even fail. More than likely, a good chunk of that tariff money paid out would be reinvested back into the economy where the govt will get their share from taxes attached to purchases and such.

This must have been a carefully thought out plan. Republican caucus must see a loophole here in the laws and figure the courts will take years to figure out the legalities. Meanwhile Trump, his cronies and the Republican Party carry on.
 
As a voter then, all one has to do is vote Republican, collect $5G with the luxury of knowing you could someday deny you ever voted for it should Trump continue on in his quest and behaviour or even fail. More than likely, a good chunk of that tariff money paid out would be reinvested back into the economy where the govt will get their share from taxes attached to purchases and such.
It's a con. You'll never get it. A campaign promise never fulfilled. Like lower gas prices, no new wars, an end to inflation, an end to the Ukraine/Russia war etc. It's essentially a bribe to the most gullible in American society that would be willing to sell their vote for the sake of $5k who really should know better than to think it would actually happen. Those who are going to vote Republican will do so without the bribe. Those who will vote Democrat will do so despite the illusory offer. The independents, well, if they bother to vote then will such an offer really tip them toward the GOP?
This must have been a carefully thought out plan. Republican caucus must see a loophole here in the laws and figure the courts will take years to figure out the legalities. Meanwhile Trump, his cronies and the Republican Party carry on.
I don't think the rest of the GOP knew anything about it. It was announced at the Republican mid-term "convention", to a c.50% full arena of die-hard Trump fans. I wouldn't be surprised if his team came up with it only shortly before, and his speech writer had to crowbar it in. I mean, there are sufficient budget-hawks in the GOP, both Senate and House, that casually adding $1.2tn to the debt will not pass.
As for the legality, it almost certainly is legal to make such pledges. Courts won't take too long to rule on that matter. 1st amendment protected speech, campaign promise, etc.
 
So, Trump is in Ireland, but even there he continues to pull at international threads, seemingly hell-bent on sewing chaos. He touched on a number of matters in his press-conference: Irish unification ("would be fantastic" and "a feather in everyone's cap"); and the Falkland Islands, when he bizarrely claimed he recalls being a "young boy" when the Falklands War happened. He was 35/36 in 1982. He also thinks that it's a "disaster" and that there are "two countries that are not happy" about the issue. Really? The UK has nothing to be unhappy about, other than his meddling and threatening language over the matter. But, of course, he wants there to be conflict wherever he can get it, so that he can try to intercede and make peace. You know, for his Nobel efforts.

If the Irish issue wasn't so thorny, and with a history of relatively recent violence, one could perhaps chuckle, almost as if someone had suggested that Alaska being handed back to Russia "would be fantastic" and "a feather in everyone's cap". But his threats over Canada's sovereignty, his willingness to alter the US' neutral position on the Falklands as a not-so-veiled threat to get his way in other matters, and his being seemingly oblivious to the idea that people might get to determine for themselves who governs them... the sooner this administration is over the better for everyone, methinks.
 
So, Trump is in Ireland, but even there he continues to pull at international threads, seemingly hell-bent on sewing chaos. He touched on a number of matters in his press-conference: Irish unification ("would be fantastic" and "a feather in everyone's cap"); and the Falkland Islands, when he bizarrely claimed he recalls being a "young boy" when the Falklands War happened. He was 35/36 in 1982. He also thinks that it's a "disaster" and that there are "two countries that are not happy" about the issue. Really? The UK has nothing to be unhappy about, other than his meddling and threatening language over the matter. But, of course, he wants there to be conflict wherever he can get it, so that he can try to intercede and make peace. You know, for his Nobel efforts.

If the Irish issue wasn't so thorny, and with a history of relatively recent violence, one could perhaps chuckle, almost as if someone had suggested that Alaska being handed back to Russia "would be fantastic" and "a feather in everyone's cap". But his threats over Canada's sovereignty, his willingness to alter the US' neutral position on the Falklands as a not-so-veiled threat to get his way in other matters, and his being seemingly oblivious to the idea that people might get to determine for themselves who governs them... the sooner this administration is over the better for everyone, methinks.
I think by now everyone has learned to aim off a bit, because they are dealing with a senile troll. Little point in taking any of these deliberately provocative statements seriously. My guess is Burnham and Miliband won't rise to the bait at all.

Another day, another load of bullshit from the Orange Ozymandias. :rolleyes:
 
I think by now everyone has learned to aim off a bit, because they are dealing with a senile troll. Little point in taking any of these deliberately provocative statements seriously. My guess is Burnham and Miliband won't rise to the bait at all.

Another day, another load of bullshit from the Orange Ozymandias. :rolleyes:
No doubt there are world leaders who think he has a mental issue. Talking to a demented soul is repetitive and pointless so your silence is golden, just let him ramble. Once he’s done his term that’ll be 12 years running where the POTUS is disturbed mentally. Still it’s kind of sparking a return to good old fashioned comedy. A lot of material and none of the woke stuff, just good old insults being tossed about. Trump tries firing back but he ain’t got it so it’s one sided but who cares?
 
I think the Congress has now pointed out to Trump that, actually, allocation of funds from the public purse for new purposes is a power not held by the President or the executive branch of government. Rather, it requires laws made by the Congress.

So, the Congress would have to approve Trump's $5000 per person blatant pork barrelling and possibly illegal inducement to vote Republican in the mid-terms.
 
I think the Congress has now pointed out to Trump that, actually, allocation of funds from the public purse for new purposes is a power not held by the President or the executive branch of government. Rather, it requires laws made by the Congress.

So, the Congress would have to approve Trump's $5000 per person blatant pork barrelling and possibly illegal inducement to vote Republican in the mid-terms.
His proposal is surely another impeachable offense?
Could an attempt to impeach him for that be made simply for performative reasons and to flush out representatives who would go along with the idea?
 
With the world pondering a slowdown in AI development, the wisest of the wise has "Truthed", and we should bask in his calming words, in his profound understanding of the issue, and his ability not to make himself the centre:

"The only control or “guardrails” that AI needs is a STRONG AND SMART (High IQ!) PRESIDENT, and the U.S.A. has that, in spades! The Trump Administration has stopped AI “people” from doing bad, or potentially bad, “things,“ like Dario (Anthropic!), who is now pretending to be a “perfect little angel” - and we will continue to do so! We already have tremendous CRIMINAL and REGULATORY power over these companies! There is a SICK conspiracy going on against AI and Data Centers, and the only one that is happy about it is China. WHOEVER WINS AI, WINS! We are leading China, and all others, and will continue to do so. Conspiracy Theorists, Treasonists, Traitors, and Leakers, BEWARE! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

So sleep easy, friends, as the Donald has spoken. Thus it must be so.


In a separate post, just a couple of minutes ago, he has also put our minds at rest about the high prices in America. Not about reducing them, simply correcting our views as to who is to blame:

"I hope everyone realizes that price increases throughout America were caused by Sleepy Joe Biden and the Biden Administration, not by “TRUMP.” Even Oil was higher under Biden than it is right now, and we prevented Iran from having a Nuclear Weapon! With the temporary exception of Oil, prices are coming down sharply, and Oil will drop like a rock as soon as the Military Conflict with Iran is over, and that will not be long. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

So, if you're experiencing higher prices than when Biden left office, don't worry, it's not Trump's fault (despite the 20+ months he's had in office to improve matters), and I guess that anyone who says otherwise is simply not a patriot, and is a "treasonist"?


God bless America for producing one of the brightest lights during my lifetime, that I may bask in the glow of his brilliance!



;)
 
With the world pondering a slowdown in AI development, the wisest of the wise has "Truthed", and we should bask in his calming words, in his profound understanding of the issue, and his ability not to make himself the centre:

"The only control or “guardrails” that AI needs is a STRONG AND SMART (High IQ!) PRESIDENT, and the U.S.A. has that, in spades! The Trump Administration has stopped AI “people” from doing bad, or potentially bad, “things,“ like Dario (Anthropic!), who is now pretending to be a “perfect little angel” - and we will continue to do so! We already have tremendous CRIMINAL and REGULATORY power over these companies! There is a SICK conspiracy going on against AI and Data Centers, and the only one that is happy about it is China. WHOEVER WINS AI, WINS! We are leading China, and all others, and will continue to do so. Conspiracy Theorists, Treasonists, Traitors, and Leakers, BEWARE! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

So sleep easy, friends, as the Donald has spoken. Thus it must be so.


In a separate post, just a couple of minutes ago, he has also put our minds at rest about the high prices in America. Not about reducing them, simply correcting our views as to who is to blame:

"I hope everyone realizes that price increases throughout America were caused by Sleepy Joe Biden and the Biden Administration, not by “TRUMP.” Even Oil was higher under Biden than it is right now, and we prevented Iran from having a Nuclear Weapon! With the temporary exception of Oil, prices are coming down sharply, and Oil will drop like a rock as soon as the Military Conflict with Iran is over, and that will not be long. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

So, if you're experiencing higher prices than when Biden left office, don't worry, it's not Trump's fault (despite the 20+ months he's had in office to improve matters), and I guess that anyone who says otherwise is simply not a patriot, and is a "treasonist"?


God bless America for producing one of the brightest lights during my lifetime, that I may bask in the glow of his brilliance!



;)
Quite senile. Even the MAGA faithful must now be only going through the motions because it is too painful for them to admit he's off his trolley. None of what he says makes any sense at all. Are we really going to have to put up with two more years of this meandering drivel?
 
And Trump loses his attempt to prevent people from voting by mail.

I guess that's sort of good for Trump, since he does vote by mail.
 
SCOTUS seems to be having spells of remembering its job. More good news today.

(AP) The Supreme Court on Monday rejected President Donald Trump’s mail ballot restrictions for now, capping a flurry of last-minute legal action with voting in the midterm elections already underway. The decision allows states to continue sending out mail ballots under the same processes they’ve used for years. The case has major implications because nearly one-third of the country votes by mail.

(X- post)
 
Typically it was not a unanimous decision, with Thomas and Alito of course voting with Trump on anything that might help cement a right-wing administration, to give a 7-2 decision. Kavanaugh, while joining the majority, said that "there is at least a fair prospect that the final rule falls within the Postal Service's statutory authority.... but applying the rule in the 2026 elections would be arbitrary and capricious in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act because state and local election officials do not have sufficient time to reasonably implement the rule before the elections." So, basically, he wants to give Trump the win, but it's too close to the elections. The two dissenters, however, basically want to just hand Trump the keys forever, it seems, and will ignore reason and the Constitution to do it.

So, expect more Executive Orders after the mid-terms as Trump tries to implement this for the Presidential election 2028. It'll all hinge on Gorsuch, Coney Barrett, and Roberts as to which way it will go.
It's disconcerting that even those 2 were willing to approve Trump's EO now, just a few weeks prior to the election, and after millions of ballots have been sent out.

The dissent from the Alito: "The court incorrectly denies the Government's application for a stay of a universal injunction that bars implementation of a final rule concerning election ballot mail. Some of the plaintiffs lack standing, while the remainder are pursuing a claim that this Court has recently called a 'Hail Mary pass' that 'rarely succeeds... The Government has made the showings necessary for a stay, so I respectfully dissent."

The "lack of standing" seems to relate to the idea that a rule needs to be implemented for someone to have standing (e.g. be an injured person as a result of the rule), and since these rules that Trump wants have not yet been implemented, there can be no standing. Seems... bizarre. You apparently need to be actually shot before you can say that a rule allowing people to fire weapons indiscriminately should not be allowed to proceed. Weird.
The "Hail Mary pass" is described in their dissent in how they think that the Government would ultimately win their case, claiming that the postal service has generally been outside the review of the APA - which is broadly true for their general activities of simply delivering mail. But these two dissenters brush over, or imply, that having Trump's desired control over who gets sent mail-in ballots is not so far outside their normal procedures, and thus the APA isn't really an issue. They claim that trying to argue that this EO by Trump would be so far outside the normal scope of the postal service is the "hail mary pass". Well, it doesn't seem to be. Postal service collect, sort, deliver mail. They don't check that the recipient is on a predefined list of recipients; they don't have authority to cancel batches of deliveries if there is one mistake, etc. They would (to my outside eyes, at least) be stepping well outside their normal activity, and infringing on what states should be controlling.

But, hey, at least the next two years will be fun! ;)
 
Typically it was not a unanimous decision, with Thomas and Alito of course voting with Trump on anything that might help cement a right-wing administration, to give a 7-2 decision. Kavanaugh, while joining the majority, said that "there is at least a fair prospect that the final rule falls within the Postal Service's statutory authority.... but applying the rule in the 2026 elections would be arbitrary and capricious in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act because state and local election officials do not have sufficient time to reasonably implement the rule before the elections." So, basically, he wants to give Trump the win, but it's too close to the elections. The two dissenters, however, basically want to just hand Trump the keys forever, it seems, and will ignore reason and the Constitution to do it.

So, expect more Executive Orders after the mid-terms as Trump tries to implement this for the Presidential election 2028. It'll all hinge on Gorsuch, Coney Barrett, and Roberts as to which way it will go.
It's disconcerting that even those 2 were willing to approve Trump's EO now, just a few weeks prior to the election, and after millions of ballots have been sent out.

The dissent from the Alito: "The court incorrectly denies the Government's application for a stay of a universal injunction that bars implementation of a final rule concerning election ballot mail. Some of the plaintiffs lack standing, while the remainder are pursuing a claim that this Court has recently called a 'Hail Mary pass' that 'rarely succeeds... The Government has made the showings necessary for a stay, so I respectfully dissent."

The "lack of standing" seems to relate to the idea that a rule needs to be implemented for someone to have standing (e.g. be an injured person as a result of the rule), and since these rules that Trump wants have not yet been implemented, there can be no standing. Seems... bizarre. You apparently need to be actually shot before you can say that a rule allowing people to fire weapons indiscriminately should not be allowed to proceed. Weird.
The "Hail Mary pass" is described in their dissent in how they think that the Government would ultimately win their case, claiming that the postal service has generally been outside the review of the APA - which is broadly true for their general activities of simply delivering mail. But these two dissenters brush over, or imply, that having Trump's desired control over who gets sent mail-in ballots is not so far outside their normal procedures, and thus the APA isn't really an issue. They claim that trying to argue that this EO by Trump would be so far outside the normal scope of the postal service is the "hail mary pass". Well, it doesn't seem to be. Postal service collect, sort, deliver mail. They don't check that the recipient is on a predefined list of recipients; they don't have authority to cancel batches of deliveries if there is one mistake, etc. They would (to my outside eyes, at least) be stepping well outside their normal activity, and infringing on what states should be controlling.

But, hey, at least the next two years will be fun! ;)
I think you make an excellent point about the proper job of the postal service not being to scrutinise eligibility for receiving certain items of mail. That seems to be acting as a censor, encroaching on people's freedoms.
 
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