Trump 2.0

So, where were we on bashing Trump?... ;)
Probably still near the beginning.

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I recently viewed a picture of Trump holding a rifle with the phrase: "No more mister nice guy" .....so I began to search my memory(or what's left of it?) for a single instance wherein I could perceive Trump as a " nice guy" ..........
I got nothing..................
Anyone in here have an instant wherein you thought Trump was a "nice guy"
If so...........please share same
 
Probably still near the beginning.

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I recently viewed a picture of Trump holding a rifle with the phrase: "No more mister nice guy" .....so I began to search my memory(or what's left of it?) for a single instance wherein I could perceive Trump as a " nice guy" ..........
I got nothing..................
Anyone in here have an instant wherein you thought Trump was a "nice guy"
If so...........please share same
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FYI (there I go again! ;)): while places like AUS and UK charge a specific levy on taxable income for their healthcare (and other programs in the UK), the monies raised under that tax don't come anywhere close to covering the cost of the service provided. The rest is funded out of general taxation
Well this FYI was most helpful, as I was lazily pointing at something minus the needed details on how Oz works its revenues. And it still comes out markedly more bang for the buck than US. (don't know if $s are called bucks down under) I did wonder after posting if that 1.5% RfE mentioned was a decimal point error. Roosters for ever certainly was not wrong in his assertion of "people selling their houses" over here - pretty much everyone around here knows someone who was selling a house (and moving into a small flat, or cheap condo apt.) in order to handle financial squeeze related to their healthcare costs. For someone I personally know, it was doubly sad because they lost not only the comfort of their own home but also the home maintenance routines which were helping keep them healthier. And one of their children had to take a beloved pet which the apartment complex didn't allow.
 
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"Anyone in here have an instant wherein you thought Trump was a "nice guy"

If so...........please share same
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I thought it was nice of him to fuck off back to America and leave us in comparative peace the last time we had to "welcome " him.

I thought it was nice of him to get Covid that time and for us to be able to speculate whether or not he might kick the bucket..

I thought it was nice if him to show us all how depraved and small minded such a large section of America and by extension most of the civilised would actually is.
 
A PGA event - part of the Cadillac Championship - is currently being held at Trump's Doral course in Miami (or just outside). It is garnering attention as one of the, if not the, worst attended PGA matches of all time.

What's more, albeit somewhat less surprising: he also had a 15-foot gold-covered statue of himself, fist raised, erected outside the golf course. I mean, it's his course, his club, he can do what he wants, but, well... really?
 
FYI (there I go again! ;)): while places like AUS and UK charge a specific levy on taxable income for their healthcare (and other programs in the UK), the monies raised under that tax don't come anywhere close to covering the cost of the service provided. The rest is funded out of general taxation. E.g. in Australia the Medicare Levy raises about $12bn AUD while the total expenditure in 21/22 was c.$85-90bn AUD. So the headline 2-3.5% rate can be misleading. In terms of the actual cost, it represents 13-14% of total (individual and corporate) tax receipts by the Australian government. In the UK it's about 16-17%.

The bizarre part of all this is that the US healthcare system is just really expensive. The total cost of Medicaid and Medicare in the US, for example, already takes up something like 30% of the total tax receipts. And it's not even universal, not by any stretch. But rather than move to a far more cost-efficient system, the US would seemingly rather cut people out of those programs.

Too much money in politics in the US. Maybe a party, should they ever get a supermajority, do something to remove the funding/bribery that enriches many of the politicians. No more legislating to benefit the corporations but to benefit the US people. That would be nice, wouldn't it? ;)
When the UK has a higher GDP per capita than Mississippi maybe "we'll" listen.:) I'm referring to the 2026 IEA study.

Do you think the UK political class uses national pride as a substitute for national performance?
 
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The US addiction to opioids is certainly a significant contributor, maybe accounting for 6 to 8 months of the lower life expectancy. That still puts the US at c.1.5 years lower than the UK. The main reasons are higher rates of chronic diseases (heart disease, strokes, diabetes etc) due, in part, to the level of obesity in the US (although we're doing our best to catch up, it seems). Then there's the simple fact that people in the US tend to delay seeking care compared to in other countries, because it costs so much, even in copay. Sure, the treatments are often better, which is great if you can afford it, but it's access is uneven. It doesn't work for all, because too many in the US have the mindset of (to use Roosters for ever's eloquent phrase): "Fuck you Jack, I'm alright". But, sure, if you can get access to the treatment you need, and can afford it, I have no doubt that healthcare in the US is excellent, and likely better than you get elsewhere.

So, where were we on bashing Trump?... ;)
I think we were probably talking about an orange face, being a felon, oh yeah, something about trying to get away from the Epstein files...continue...
 
I thought it was nice if him to show us all how depraved and small minded such a large section of America and by extension most of the civilised would actually is.
Hanlon's Razor, part Two: Never take as depravity that which may be explained by ignorance. Unless it's that hard core of the Turnip base, the predom male Far Right which borders on paramilitary and does seem to be openly committing to sadism, antireason and depravity. They are so visible and loud on the web these days that it makes maybe 10-15% of the population seem like a much larger slice. And they're adept at preying upon and manipulating the larger segment of the ignorant. They are comparable to the Sturmabteilung in the early thirties.
 
When the UK has a higher GDP per capita than Mississippi maybe "we'll" listen.:) I'm referring to the 2026 IEA study.
GDP per capita is a red-herring in this matter. You might as well say "when the UK has less rain per sq-ft" for all the relevance it has.
But, sure, whatever it takes for you to rationalise dismissing the issue.
Do you think the UK political class uses national pride as a substitute for national performance?
No. Do you?
 
Hanlon's Razor, part Two: Never take as depravity that which may be explained by ignorance. Unless it's that hard core of the Turnip base, the predom male Far Right which borders on paramilitary and does seem to be openly committing to sadism, antireason and depravity. They are so visible and loud on the web these days that it makes maybe 10-15% of the population seem like a much larger slice. And they're adept at preying upon and manipulating the larger segment of the ignorant. They are comparable to the Sturmabteilung in the early thirties.
Yes. In the UK in the 1950s and 1960s a fair amount of fiction was written exploring the dark side of human society, as a result of the Nazi experience. It was such a shock to find that even a sophisticated, civilised society like Germany could produce such monstrosity. Examples included Golding's Lord of the Flies and in film Quatermass and the Pit. Television's Daleks (in Dr. Who) were also clearly modelled on the Nazis.

There are always people who will yield to their worst impulses when given licence to do so. I've come across a few individuals I regard as being like that in the course of my life. I call them "gas tap twiddlers". Stephen Miller is one. Hegseth is another. But I've known a few personally as well.
 
You really live in a bubble. Medical care and health outcomes are rated lower here than in many other developed countries. While affluent people may he getting high tech treatments, transplants, etc, that is not available to millions. If Oz is paying on average 1.5% a year for universal health care, that's a massively better price than most of us pay here stateside. Average lifespan in Oz is 83.2 years, while it's 79 here. 83.5 in France, which pays about half our healthcare costs, per capita. We pay more and get less. Reform is much needed. Wake TF up.
It appears I was wrong. I was speaking of the times when I was working. The rate now is 2% of annual income, and if that income is above $2000,000 per family, another 1%.
As I mentioned we also have a recent new scheme called the NDIS (National Disability Insurance Scheme) which supplies home care and services for those affected. This has been though severely rorted in recent times, with bogus carers and gross over charging and criminal action against those vermin has been implemented.
 
Television's Daleks (in Dr. Who) were also clearly modelled on the Nazis.
I assume you're referring to the little-known investigation in the late 30's that concluded that members of the Nazi party, and SS members in particular, found ascending and descending staircases to be a troubling matter? ;)
There are always people who will yield to their worst impulses when given licence to do so. I've come across a few individuals I regard as being like that in the course of my life. I call them "gas tap twiddlers". Stephen Miller is one. Hegseth is another. But I've known a few personally as well.
In many regards it's just an extension of the famous Stanford prison experiment. Or elements therein. Give people power and a much reduced accountability, and they'll be more likely to revert to their more basic instincts/thoughts etc. I think there's already been papers linking that experiment to what went on with the Nazi party, but I can't recall the detail.
 
GDP per capita is a red-herring in this matter. You might as well say "when the UK has less rain per sq-ft" for all the relevance it has.
But, sure, whatever it takes for you to rationalise dismissing the issue.

No. Do you?
You do realize that the UK has the highest level of regional inequality in the developed world.
 
You do realize that the UK has the highest level of regional inequality in the developed world.
And, again, this is simply not relevant to the discussion at hand. You're arguing the equivalent of a fallacious ad hominem but at the national level. :rolleyes:
 
And, again, this is simply not relevant to the discussion at hand. You're arguing the equivalent of a fallacious ad hominem but at the national level. :rolleyes:
I forget, we are only discussing US inequality. I took care of that in my latest thread.
 
I forget, we are only discussing US inequality. I took care of that in my latest thread.
We're really only discussing US inequality here in as much as it pertains to the US under Trump. You know, relevant to the thread topic. And the actual issue you were responding to was healthcare, not inequality in general. So there's that as well. But, sure, whatever.
 
I assume you're referring to the little-known investigation in the late 30's that concluded that members of the Nazi party, and SS members in particular, found ascending and descending staircases to be a troubling matter? ;)

In many regards it's just an extension of the famous Stanford prison experiment. Or elements therein. Give people power and a much reduced accountability, and they'll be more likely to revert to their more basic instincts/thoughts etc. I think there's already been papers linking that experiment to what went on with the Nazi party, but I can't recall the detail.
Good point about the Stanford experiment. Though it turns out that Golding was off-target with Lord of the Flies, as this real-life incident demonstrated: https://www.desertislandsurvival.com/tonga-castaways/
 
Can I call it or what? Trump (and his supporters) have so far floated at least five ways to blame Biden for the shutdown of Spirit.
 
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