Trump 2.0

It's not enforceable.
It is enforceable to the extent that nations agree to enforce it and to abide by it.
I'm not that concerned with that aspect.
Well, it says nothing about Bitcoin, so that's understandable, I suppose.
If it's not a good idea, then it's not a good idea but the international law aspect, who cares?
What if it is a good idea?
Since when do major countries let international law stop anything?
Actually, there's quite a tradition of them letting international law constrain them. The US has been something of an outlier in that respect, of course.
 
It's not enforceable. I'm not that concerned with that aspect. If it's not a good idea, then it's not a good idea but the international law aspect, who cares? Since when do major countries let international law stop anything?
Another nonsensical "trump like" piece of nonsense. Most Nations certainly do align with International law, except perhaps those anti democratic countries like Russia, North Korea and China, and trump,s USA. Like many other points raised in this thread, you have been shown to be drastically wrong and/or lying, just as trump is so often drastically wrong and a liar.
 
It is enforceable to the extent that nations agree to enforce it and to abide by it.

Well, it says nothing about Bitcoin, so that's understandable, I suppose.
I no longer have any Bitcoin and am not interested in it and this is just a sarcastic throw-away comment anyway, isn't it? What has Bitcoin got to do with the subject at hand? You must feel that you are losing the "debate" and now need to resort to sarcasm and ridicule? Nice!
What if it is a good idea?

Actually, there's quite a tradition of them letting international law constrain them. The US has been something of an outlier in that respect, of course.
Yes, of course, that is my point. Sarcasm noted though. You aren't doing well today are you?
 
Let's change things up with a bit of humour...

(So, there you go Seattle - something positive about your man - we can all get a little chuckle today!)

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Another nonsensical "trump like" piece of nonsense. Most Nations certainly do align with International law, except perhaps those anti democratic countries like Russia, North Korea and China, and trump,s USA. Like many other points raised in this thread, you have been shown to be drastically wrong and/or lying, just as trump is so often drastically wrong and a liar.
You throw the word "liar" around pretty freely.

"Another nonsensical "Trump like" piece of nonsense". Could a sentence be any more nonsensical? I'm sure we will soon find out.
 
Let's change things up with a bit of humour...

(So, there you go Seattle - something positive about your man - we can all get a little chuckle today!)

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Yes, it's humorous. Why do you think I defend this behavior and manner of speaking, acting and thinking?

Maybe you just aren't thinking and it's more about emoting? That's OK humans be human...

You guys seem to be upset because, as the school ground bullies, you can't get one guy to go along with your bullying? It is what it is.
 
Why do you think I defend this behavior and manner of speaking, acting and thinking?

Wow, I sure don't know the answer to that one - wish I did, it would be worth a Nobel prize in some field, I'm sure.

Why don't you enlighten us all, and just put it out there - why DO you defend him?
 
Wow, I sure don't know the answer to that one - wish I did, it would be worth a Nobel prize in some field, I'm sure.

Why don't you enlighten us all, and just put it out there - why DO you defend him?
I don't "defend" him. I just don't join in with the herd pig pile.
 
I don't "defend" him.

So you say. I get the impression that you do, although you can be a might cagey about it...

I don't really see evidence for being "evil"
The NY falsified business records case technically makes him a "convicted felon" but hardly an "evil bastard".
Trump isn't Hitler. Why are you so upset about Trump?
He isn't demented.
Some consider his approach to be "transactional". That's supposed to be a negative but I think it's a positive.
If he posts on Truth Social that he is going to use nuclear bombs on Iran, he isn't going to do that either.
He posted that he is going to bomb the Iranian power plants. Is he really going to do that? Probably not.
Sometimes he does something I agree with...
He left office last time.
I see no downside to the attack on Iran
Take Trump away and you still have the same problem.
As an aside, his negotiating "style" is erratic but ... it's "working"
I guess you don't like winning?
He did get one, it was the best one actually, it was the Nobel one. They tell me Nobel is the best, and it's framed. It's in the office. They will probably want him to have more.

The readers will have to come to their own conclusions...
 
So you say. I get the impression that you do, although you can be a might cagey about it...


The readers will have to come to their own conclusions...
The readers can do whatever they want to do.. The discerning will not conclude that I am defending him. I am defending factual statements.
 
You throw the word "liar" around pretty freely.
Not at all. Only in your case in saying you are not defending Trump. That is a lie.
"Another nonsensical "Trump like" piece of nonsense". Could a sentence be any more nonsensical? I'm sure we will soon find out.
Trump speaks nonsense. Trump lies. Just as the following 'Trump like" statement is lies and nonsense generally speaking.
It's not enforceable. I'm not that concerned with that aspect. If it's not a good idea, then it's not a good idea but the international law aspect, who cares? Since when do major countries let international law stop anything?
All we hear from you are excuses for his lying erratic, egotistical behaviour.
I don't "defend" him. I just don't join in with the herd pig pile.
You are doing nothing but making excuses for his erratic behavior, including his lying. How many other of his "questionable qualities" do you share with him?
 
In other news, Trump may be watching Hungary quite closely over the next week or so, as the country head to the polls, and his "fantastic" "strongman" fellow wannabe dictator Victor Orban is at risk of losing control for the first time in c.16 years.

However, it may not be the polls that Trump pays most attention to, but rather the efforts underway to possibly build sympathy for Orban's struggling party, and perhaps to delay and/or cancel the elections entirely.

"In recent weeks Hungarian security experts have raised the possibility of a staged operation, either on Hungarian or Serbian territory, intended to arouse enough sympathy for Orban to help his Fidesz party win the election - or to give Orban an excuse to declare an emergency and postpone or cancel the vote."

And, right on cue, the Serbian military found 2 backpacks of explosives next to the main gas pipeline into Hungary from Russia. Serbia is ruled by a close ally of Trump, so guess would be more than happy to play along.

 

The High Price of Devotion to Donald Trump​

On Easter Sunday, the president posted something monstrous. His supporters said nothing. They never do anymore. And that silence has a cost.​

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On Easter Sunday morning, as Christians across America and around the world celebrated the Resurrection, the President of the United States posted this on social media:

“Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell — JUST WATCH. Praise be to Allah.”

Read it again. Let it sink in.

A sitting American president, on the holiest day of the Christian year, gloating in advance over the destruction of civilian infrastructure in a country we are at war with—a war he started—mocking the faith of the people about to die, and doing all of it in the language of a drunk at 2 a.m. in a bar.

And from the Republican Party of the United States—from its senators, its congressmen, its governors, its evangelical supporters, the people who spent eight years screaming that Barack Obama wasn’t sufficiently reverent or dignified for the office of the presidency—silence. Total, familiar, practiced silence.

That silence is what this column is about. Not Trump. We know exactly who Donald Trump is. He tells us every day. This is about the price many of his supporters have paid for their devotion, and the trap they cannot escape.

The choice

From the moment Donald Trump came down that escalator in June 2015, he imposed a choice on every American. Not a political choice. A moral one. Because what Trump brought into our politics, with his ferocious demagogic energy and talent, was cruelty.

Cruelty toward immigrants. Cruelty toward opponents. Cruelty toward the weak, the foreign, the different. Trump has made the dehumanization of other people the beating heart of his political appeal.

In those early years, a person could perhaps still draw the distinction. I don’t like the way he talks, but I love what he stands for. People said it all the time. Many even believed it. They told themselves they could take the policies and leave the poison.

But here is what Trump understood—what he has always understood—about the bargain he was offering: you couldn’t really make that move. It turns out that when it comes to the Trump political enterprise, you can’t buy the ticket and complain about the ride. Because the cruelty wasn’t incidental to what he was selling. The cruelty was the product.
There’s a glee in Trump’s cruelty. You can see it. He loves to lash and lance and trash his political opponents—“like nobody has ever seen before,” as he’d say. Research in political psychology has documented what most of us already sensed: “partisan schadenfreude”—the pleasure taken in the suffering of your political opponents—has become a core feature of Trumpism. Scholars have found that a substantial fraction of the American public will vote for a candidate precisely because he promises to harm the other side.

“Owning the libs” isn’t a guilty pleasure. It’s the whole point. It’s what the base is buying.

And here’s the thing about taking your first hit of Trump’s hard stuff: it asks for a second.

Hannah Arendt, writing about the psychology of complicity in authoritarian regimes, identified what she called the “lesser evil” trap—the way that regimes condition ordinary people into complicity by implementing horrors incrementally, so that each new outrage is only slightly worse than the last, and each new compromise feels marginally defensible. She showed, with merciless precision, how those who choose the lesser evil forget very quickly that it was evil they chose in the first place. You defend yourself to yourself by saying you don’t really go along with the worst of it. You defend yourself to others by saying you don’t really pay attention to what he says.

And then one day you’re sitting in church on Easter Sunday and your president is posting “Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards” in anticipation of bombing a country’s power grid, and you say nothing, because you have been saying nothing, in graduated increments, for ten years, and the path back has disappeared.

The real “TDS”

This is a fundamental feature of human moral psychology, well-documented and ancient. But Trump exploits it with a genuine genius for this kind of politics. He knew, from the beginning, that once you’d cheered a little cruelty, laughed at a little racism, you’d defend it. And once you’d defended it, you’d need more of it—because he has shaped the MAGA movement to understand that the cruelty is also the proof that their side is winning, and that winning is the whole point of a tribal politics in which the other side has been cast as your existential enemy.

The frisson of his viciousness becomes a drug. And like any drug, tolerance builds. Yesterday’s outrage is today’s baseline.

It’s a politics as old as human nature. Dante understood it. He constructed his Inferno carefully, thoughtfully, reserving the deepest circles of Hell not for the violent but for the treacherous—those who betrayed their own conscience, their own obligations, their own capacity for moral judgment. The murderer, Dante thought, at least acted. The traitor chose, deliberately and repeatedly, not to. Senator after senator, pastor after pastor, official after official—people who know exactly who Trump is, because he tells them every day—have made that choice, repeated it, and compounded it, until the choice is no longer really a choice at all. It is just who they are now.

There is a term MAGA has invented to dismiss critics, throwing it at anyone who opens their eyes, sees what is in front of us every day, and calls it by its proper name. I hear it all the time: Trump Derangement Syndrome. The implication is that those of us who find this presidency an ongoing catastrophe for American decency have lost our minds.

I’d suggest the diagnosis runs the other way. The real TDS syndrome is Trump Devotion Syndrome: the state of a person who has taken so much of the drug that the Easter Sunday post epitomizes—the profanity, the gloating, the mock-piety, the advance celebration of civilian death—that it doesn’t seem anything other than normal to them. They read it and feel nothing, or maybe feel a small dark thrill, or type out three words of praise and moves on with their day.

The silence isn’t neutrality. It never was.

The price of devotion to Donald Trump is your moral self. People have been paying it, installment by installment, for a decade now. On Easter Sunday morning, you could see exactly what they have bought, and exactly what it cost.


—Terry
 
On Easter Sunday, the president posted something monstrous. His supporters said nothing. They never do anymore. And that silence has a cost.

This is who they are. This is #WhatTheyVotedFor.

I've known people to get indescribably angry about this point, trying to pretend ... uh ... well, something, as if it's all some sort of accident, or whatever, and they even complain about how unfair it is to judge Trump supporters (or conservative voters, as such) by the results of their votes. Maybe at the turn of the century, when Bush Jr. kicked Reaganomics in the scrote, maybe voters backing or falling for the Southern Strategy could claim to be surprised. But if they didn't figure it out over the next fifteen years before they elected Trump, well, this is who they always were. And if they didn't figure it out over the during the Trump years, yeah, that's on them. They've had between twenty and sixty years to figure it out, and all they ever managed to do in that time was triple down. It's okay to believe them.

This is who they are. This is what they voted for.
 
This is who they are. This is #WhatTheyVotedFor.

I've known people to get indescribably angry about this point, trying to pretend ... uh ... well, something, as if it's all some sort of accident, or whatever, and they even complain about how unfair it is to judge Trump supporters (or conservative voters, as such) by the results of their votes. Maybe at the turn of the century, when Bush Jr. kicked Reaganomics in the scrote, maybe voters backing or falling for the Southern Strategy could claim to be surprised. But if they didn't figure it out over the next fifteen years before they elected Trump, well, this is who they always were. And if they didn't figure it out over the during the Trump years, yeah, that's on them. They've had between twenty and sixty years to figure it out, and all they ever managed to do in that time was triple down. It's okay to believe them.

This is who they are. This is what they voted for.
What, exactly, are you for?
 
I’d suggest the diagnosis runs the other way. The real TDS syndrome is Trump Devotion Syndrome: the state of a person who has taken so much of the drug that the Easter Sunday post epitomizes
Spot on. ABC News removed all doubt they had bent the knee to His Turnipness when they fired Moran last year. All they did was further tarnish their legacy and free Moran to spread his journalistic wings and soar over the landscape.
 
I no longer have any Bitcoin and am not interested in it...
Yeah, I believe you.
... and this is just a sarcastic throw-away comment anyway, isn't it?
Tone matching.
What has Bitcoin got to do with the subject at hand?
The subject you said you're not interested in discussing, you mean? Well, nothing.
You must feel that you are losing the "debate" and now need to resort to sarcasm and ridicule?
What debate?
You aren't doing well today are you?
I guess so. Thanks for saying so, Seattle!
 
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