Thalidomide is--or will be--undoubtedly the "cure" for autism.
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So much winning for the weirdos.
What Will Be, Will Be
TBT: Hey, remember when this was a joke about a conspiracy theory?
It's not just that the data suggests otherwise; autism was identified before acetaminophen, by decades.
The thing I'm waiting for is the Kenvue lawsuit in response. HHS is going to have to provide their experts, and their experts will lose their careers¹, and then they will complain of cancel culture, and then some science-y pretenders online are going to have to either further abandon science or give up the pretense.
It'll go even worse for them than the don't-call-them-Nazis complaint that leads to the adaptation of Nazi speeches at an ostensible memorial service.
Then again, how many anti-trans crackpots are really going to be so worried about RFK Jr.'s pseudoscience, especially given that liberal cancel culture might try to silence David Geier by disagreeing with him, noting his license suspension, or even getting so extreme as to call his life's work quackery.
And, you know, you can't call someone a quack or a pseudoscientist just because they disagree with you. And if I'm not wishing good luck to whoever might attempt that defense of such dangerous crackpottery, the reason has to do with crackpottery, not political labels.
Oh, right, they don't support the crackpottery, but, rather, the crackpot's free-speech right to impose and inflict it on others. (Isn't that how it goes?)
Point being, while it's unclear exactly when who among these innocent supporters of the supporters was supposed to know what, the fact that we were dealing with anti-fluoridation grade crackpottery and tinfoil probably should have been apparent when they started defluoridating local water supplies.
Conspiracist antivax crackpottery? Remember, this bogey has bounced around GOP respectability, legitimized by Republican Party imprimatur, at least since 2013.
And, given the overlap, no, it would be insufficient to plead that one missed it because they were too busy scolding their liberal neighbors to stop upsetting conservatives↗ by challenging rightist arguments.
That is to say, this multi-pronged phenomenon is not the result of two independent forces just happening to coincide in certain ways. Rather, both the crackpottery and the fascism expressed by Republicans and conservatives² are two forks of the same tongue.
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TBT: Hey, remember when this was a joke about a conspiracy theory?
It's not just that the data suggests otherwise; autism was identified before acetaminophen, by decades.
The thing I'm waiting for is the Kenvue lawsuit in response. HHS is going to have to provide their experts, and their experts will lose their careers¹, and then they will complain of cancel culture, and then some science-y pretenders online are going to have to either further abandon science or give up the pretense.
It'll go even worse for them than the don't-call-them-Nazis complaint that leads to the adaptation of Nazi speeches at an ostensible memorial service.
(Seriously, the people who defended this movement along its way are so thoroughly and embarrassingly discredited by now, and maybe we ought to have that discussion, so they can stop pretending and just get on with life. It either hurts them to be so wrong or chafes them to be seen as wrong, so we need to find out if the problem is that they don't support Nazis or maybe the Nazis have gotten so bad at Naziing that it's just that much harder to support them without actually saying so.)
(Okay, fine, let me make a brief point about that; see the Rowling thread #192↗:
The thing is, the discredited doctor everyone thinks is about to blame Tylenol for autism lost his authorization to practice on children because he was improperly prescribing gender-affirming drugs to children in pursuit of his anti-vaccine crackpottery. It's one of those things; when you ride with bigotry, you find strange allies.)
Compared to the constant baby-killer rhetoric, it was always easy enough to wonder what kind of doctor would do that, and we did in our time find an answer. To pretend every doctor is a closet Kermit Gosnell, as the anti-abortion movement generally presumes, is just a bit silly.
To the other, analogies only go so far. If, for instance, we know what kind of doctor would improperly prescribe puberty blockers, well, you wouldn't believe, except you would.
To the other, analogies only go so far. If, for instance, we know what kind of doctor would improperly prescribe puberty blockers, well, you wouldn't believe, except you would.
The thing is, the discredited doctor everyone thinks is about to blame Tylenol for autism lost his authorization to practice on children because he was improperly prescribing gender-affirming drugs to children in pursuit of his anti-vaccine crackpottery. It's one of those things; when you ride with bigotry, you find strange allies.)
Then again, how many anti-trans crackpots are really going to be so worried about RFK Jr.'s pseudoscience, especially given that liberal cancel culture might try to silence David Geier by disagreeing with him, noting his license suspension, or even getting so extreme as to call his life's work quackery.
And, you know, you can't call someone a quack or a pseudoscientist just because they disagree with you. And if I'm not wishing good luck to whoever might attempt that defense of such dangerous crackpottery, the reason has to do with crackpottery, not political labels.
Oh, right, they don't support the crackpottery, but, rather, the crackpot's free-speech right to impose and inflict it on others. (Isn't that how it goes?)
Point being, while it's unclear exactly when who among these innocent supporters of the supporters was supposed to know what, the fact that we were dealing with anti-fluoridation grade crackpottery and tinfoil probably should have been apparent when they started defluoridating local water supplies.
Conspiracist antivax crackpottery? Remember, this bogey has bounced around GOP respectability, legitimized by Republican Party imprimatur, at least since 2013.
And, given the overlap, no, it would be insufficient to plead that one missed it because they were too busy scolding their liberal neighbors to stop upsetting conservatives↗ by challenging rightist arguments.
That is to say, this multi-pronged phenomenon is not the result of two independent forces just happening to coincide in certain ways. Rather, both the crackpottery and the fascism expressed by Republicans and conservatives² are two forks of the same tongue.
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¹ Well, otherwise respectable scientists who aid and abet will lose prestige, at least; RFJ Jr.'s sort of expert, though, can probably expect some sort of career advancement in the political sector.
² And better-than-thou "independents", and Pepe pilltards, and whatever remains of reactionary antiliberalism, and so on, and so forth, &c., i.e., rightists in denial.
² And better-than-thou "independents", and Pepe pilltards, and whatever remains of reactionary antiliberalism, and so on, and so forth, &c., i.e., rightists in denial.
Just because, well...
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Aussies miss when morning routine didn't involve finding out whatever the fuck this cunt did today – The Chaser
There's always some shit going on with old mate.
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TheVat
Valued Senior Member
Sort of an Aussie The Onion.
And today....Joe Rogan defends Kimmel and tells conservatives supporting censorship: ‘Oh my God, you’re crazy’
Interesting - he then goes on to clarify that this is some bad shit NOT because it's ethically wrong but because eventually they (conservatives) would be the target of such censorship. Joe Rogan, a radio personality, won't condemn censorship because censorship is antithetical to free speech and discourse and the heart of our Constitution.
And today....Joe Rogan defends Kimmel and tells conservatives supporting censorship: ‘Oh my God, you’re crazy’
Interesting - he then goes on to clarify that this is some bad shit NOT because it's ethically wrong but because eventually they (conservatives) would be the target of such censorship. Joe Rogan, a radio personality, won't condemn censorship because censorship is antithetical to free speech and discourse and the heart of our Constitution.
[(sigh)]
I thought I already did↗ the bit on Portland:
I thought I already did↗ the bit on Portland:
And Portland is significant for certain reasons … Portland, the place where the White Aryan Resistance was defeated. And if you've ever wondered how James Dean's lone wolf became a term associated with terrorism, the answer is time and tide, and the White Aryan Resistance. After they were broken in Portland, leader Tom Metzger advocated lone wolves, the unorganized, ideologically linked individuals doing whatever they needed to protect the white race, such as the bomb threat against a video rental store in 1994, in Rhode Island. And if it looks like the lone wolves have come out to play, in Portland, sure, why not. They've been there the whole time; the breaking of the White Aryan Resistance is fundamental history in understanding why Portland makes a nearly perfect example … There were even rumors that the cops were helping antifa, and what the evidence revealed was that the Portland Police Bureau was in deep, aiding and abetting rightists.
TheVat
Valued Senior Member
Garry Kasparov, famed for his skills at putting a check on kings, offers some cogent political commentary on how we can keep from being pawns in 47's power games...(Gift link)
www.theatlantic.com
The Race to Save America’s Democracy
Trump’s administration may seem chaotic, but Americans should not take the integrity of next year’s elections for granted.
www.theatlantic.com
Take the Note, Middle America
A sad farmer wearing a "MAGA" hat, with cartoon caption, "I'm losing my farm but at least it's the Gulf of America now." A political tracker socmed account, @PollTracker2024↱ observes, "The President of the Czech Republic reposted this on his Instagram account."
It's one thing if the magatude did it to themselves, as such, but the idea that conservative intransigence is sufficient that people around the world are losing their basic sympathy with certain of their fellow human beings is not insignificant. That people of prestige are willing to mock the suffering of the magatude is not insignificant.
To the other, it took a decade to bring this out, and that after thirty years of predecessors unceasingly trying our neighbors' patience.
Take the note, Middle America, your conservative Christian family values have so gravely devastated your reputation.
You did this to yourselves. And, yeah, sure, your fellow Americans will go scold them, for you, just as soon as we figure out how. You're not exactly making this easy, y'know.
A sad farmer wearing a "MAGA" hat, with cartoon caption, "I'm losing my farm but at least it's the Gulf of America now." A political tracker socmed account, @PollTracker2024↱ observes, "The President of the Czech Republic reposted this on his Instagram account."
It's one thing if the magatude did it to themselves, as such, but the idea that conservative intransigence is sufficient that people around the world are losing their basic sympathy with certain of their fellow human beings is not insignificant. That people of prestige are willing to mock the suffering of the magatude is not insignificant.
To the other, it took a decade to bring this out, and that after thirty years of predecessors unceasingly trying our neighbors' patience.
Take the note, Middle America, your conservative Christian family values have so gravely devastated your reputation.
You did this to yourselves. And, yeah, sure, your fellow Americans will go scold them, for you, just as soon as we figure out how. You're not exactly making this easy, y'know.
At least America won't be using the justice system to persecute political opponents anymore.
Here, read for yourself:
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Pam Bondi Claims ‘Weaponization Has Ended’
Donald Trump’s former defense lawyer celebrated the end of the weaponization of the DOJ on Friday—while also making it clear that her boss’ list of revenge targets is only widening.
Speaking on Hannity Friday night, Attorney General Pam Bondi assured that there is no need to worry about political weaponization any longer, because she and her crack team were ready to hold anyone “accountable” for their actions against the state.
Fox News host Hannity kicked off the segment by describing FBI Director Kash Patel’s idea of a “grand conspiracy” from within the country, targeting Trump and his fellow patriots.
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No siree, that doesn't happen here. Anymore. Not under tRump's watch. So calm down.
I mean, what do you think MAGA is? A bunch of Nazi's, or something?
Sheeesh....
Here, read for yourself:
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Pam Bondi Claims ‘Weaponization Has Ended’
Donald Trump’s former defense lawyer celebrated the end of the weaponization of the DOJ on Friday—while also making it clear that her boss’ list of revenge targets is only widening.
Speaking on Hannity Friday night, Attorney General Pam Bondi assured that there is no need to worry about political weaponization any longer, because she and her crack team were ready to hold anyone “accountable” for their actions against the state.
Fox News host Hannity kicked off the segment by describing FBI Director Kash Patel’s idea of a “grand conspiracy” from within the country, targeting Trump and his fellow patriots.
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No siree, that doesn't happen here. Anymore. Not under tRump's watch. So calm down.
I mean, what do you think MAGA is? A bunch of Nazi's, or something?
Sheeesh....
I guess they're all working on the basis that "weaponisatuon" implies an irregular use of whatever it is. But now they have "ended" the weaponisation by making it the regular process?
This isn't "weaponisation", it's the new "normal".
This isn't "weaponisation", it's the new "normal".
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
Maybe he is losing his farm because it isn't profitable. 30% of all farm income is from the government in the form of subsidies. It will probably be more now after Trump and his tariffs. In general, in the US, it isn't a profitable thing to do even when China was buying much of the corn and soybeans.
Don't let me interrupt the moralizing though...
TheVat
Valued Senior Member
Farm subsidies, also known as agricultural subsidies, are financial support from the federal government to farmers and agricultural businesses. Subsidies help farms deal with disaster relief, risk management, the development of specific farming practices, conservation efforts, and more.
usafacts.org
Federal farm subsidies make up an average of 13.5% of net farm income. Varies considerably from year to year (see article on why). I would favor dropping subsidies for ethanol, which is something of a carbon scam, and takes acreage away from providing food or lying fallow for healthy regeneration of soil. Also drop the subsidies for feed crops, which drives factory farming of meat and ridiculous overconsumption.
US Federal Agricultural Farm Subsidies: How Much Farmers Get By Year | USAFacts
Federal farm subsidies make up an average of 13.5% of net farm income.
usafacts.org
Federal farm subsidies make up an average of 13.5% of net farm income. Varies considerably from year to year (see article on why). I would favor dropping subsidies for ethanol, which is something of a carbon scam, and takes acreage away from providing food or lying fallow for healthy regeneration of soil. Also drop the subsidies for feed crops, which drives factory farming of meat and ridiculous overconsumption.
Of course. Government policies are what MAKE it unprofitable - which is not something up to the farmer.
Imagine you grew honeycrisp apples because they were popular. Imagine further that Trump levied a 100% tax on honeycrisp apples because they are woke, while giving growers of macintosh apples a subsidy to grow their apples to "support American farmers." People stop buying honeycrisp apples and started buying macintosh instead. You start losing money.
Would that be an indication that you were a poor farmer and/or businessman, destined to fail? Or an indication that government policies were damaging your business?
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
Would the fact that farming wasn't profitable before Trump be relevant here?
Nope. In your case, your farm WAS profitable.
Now, would the sudden failure of your farm be due to your failures as a farmer or businessman? Or due to government policies?
It accentuates the importance of twelve and a half billion dollars in soybean sales.
And then there's the part where Argentina is selling the soybeans China used to buy from American farmers while Trump prepares twenty billion dollars in bailout money for the Milei government.
It would do us better to spend fifteen of that twenty on American soybean farmers, and spare the other five on credit until we actually need it. As it is, Trump is stiffing American farmers twice.
And as the United States trends toward isolationism, we are going to need our domestic food production to fill in the gaps.
For instance, there's rice, and then there's AI-generated fan art. We can't afford the one because we give tax breaks to the other. But if we're going to drive up the cost of imported rice until American rice is cheaper, we're going to need to subsidize some part of the consumer cost as well as extraordinary expansion of domestic rice-growing acreage. Just for instance.
Or else farmland in Arkansas, failing to bear sufficient profit margins, becomes more valuable to the short-term assessment of the economy as houses and condos sold at Bellevue or even San Francisco prices. And if they don't generate enough of a homelessness crisis on their own doing that, maybe you can convince city leaders up here to ship some of ours to places with better winter weather. Everyone wins, right?
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
Almost all farming isn't profitable in the US. Government subsidies are all that keeps them hanging on.
So you can't answer. Fair enough.