to vacinate or not to vacinate

manditory vacination?

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For vaccination to be effective we need to have a high enough percentage of the population vaccinated to get "herd immunity". Otherwise, it's a waste. So yes, make the vaccines mandatory.
 
i can understand making vaccinations manditroy on things like whopping cough, but my mother forced me to get an HPV shot and i was not at all comfortable with it.. they only have a limited number of years to fall back on.. what if at some later stage it become carsinigenic?
 
In principal the HPV shot is no different to any other viral vaccination, and we have many years combined experience in viral vaccinations generally.
 
The thing about the HPV vaccine is that unlike virtually everything else that people get vaccinated for, you can easily avoid getting HPV by simply not having sex with people who have it. If you're married, for example, there might be no reason to get vaccinated. But they certainly go out of their way to avoid mentioning that to people in their marketing campaign.
 
Um, HPV is VERY easy to get. If someone gets/gives a blowjob, they can get it. I believe it's possible to get it from kissing.
 
takandjive said:
Um, HPV is VERY easy to get. If someone gets/gives a blowjob, they can get it. I believe it's possible to get it from kissing.
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Everything I've read indicates that sex is by far the most common way people get the strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, and that the vaccine protects against. And like I said, if you aren't planning to have sex (or give a blowjob to) someone with HPV (ie, if you are married), then there's really little reason to get the vaccine.
 
Nasor said:
The thing about the HPV vaccine is that unlike virtually everything else that people get vaccinated for, you can easily avoid getting HPV by simply not having sex with people who have it. If you're married, for example, there might be no reason to get vaccinated. But they certainly go out of their way to avoid mentioning that to people in their marketing campaign.
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And how exactly are you supposed to know if the person you're fucking has it?
 
Nasor said:
Everything I've read indicates that sex is by far the most common way people get the strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, and that the vaccine protects against. And like I said, if you aren't planning to have sex (or give a blowjob to) someone with HPV (ie, if you are married), then there's really little reason to get the vaccine.
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Marriage won't stop you from getting it if your husband has it.

Do you honestly know how many people your partner has had sex with before meeting you?

Do I know if I even know if i've had a one night stand with someone carrying the virus before marrying my wife?
 
Nasor said:
Everything I've read indicates that sex is by far the most common way people get the strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, and that the vaccine protects against. And like I said, if you aren't planning to have sex (or give a blowjob to) someone with HPV (ie, if you are married), then there's really little reason to get the vaccine.
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Uh, yeah. Because NEVER having sex until marriage is practical and a married guy comes with a stamp on his dick that says, "NO HPV!"
 
Nasor said:
Everything I've read indicates that sex is by far the most common way people get the strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, and that the vaccine protects against. And like I said, if you aren't planning to have sex (or give a blowjob to) someone with HPV (ie, if you are married), then there's really little reason to get the vaccine.
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I would also like to point out another (in my opinion) really stupid thing about this objection.

I spent less than 5 minutes (further) educating myself (I actually wasn't looking for this specific information, I was trying to find out if it's possible to carry HPV without symptoms, goes to show just how easy it is to find).
I went to Wikipedia.
Typed in HPV and pressed enter.
The web page that bought up had a link to the HPV Vaccine page.
I read through the introduction of the article, then scrolled to the end to look at the references, and found this link to the CDC Webpage
http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-HPV-vaccine-young-women.htm
Please note the bottom most link titled: "Other ways to prevent HPV and Cervical Cancer".
Following that link takes you here: http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-HPV-vaccine-young-women.htm#hpvvac7

Which says, and I quote:
Are there other ways to prevent HPV?
The only sure way to prevent HPV is to abstain from all sexual activity. For those who are sexually active, condoms may lower the chances of getting HPV, if used all the time and the right way. Condoms may also lower the risk of developing HPV-related diseases (genital warts and cervical cancer). But HPV can infect areas that are not covered by a condom—so condoms may not fully protect against HPV.

Sexually active adults can also lower their risk of HPV by being in a mutually faithful relationship with someone who has had no or few sex partners, or by limiting their number of sex partners. The fewer partners a person has had – the less likely he or she is to have HPV. But even persons with only one lifetime sex partner can get HPV, if their partner has had previous partners.
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There is no conspiracy of silence, only a conspiracy of ignorance.

The FACTS are OUT THERE, and easily accessable.
 
Let me be clear - I'm not being rude to Nasor, i'm simply using the word 'ignorant' ion the context of "Someone who is unaware of a fact is ignorant of that fact".
 
visceral_instinct said:
And how exactly are you supposed to know if the person you're fucking has it?
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trippy said:
Marriage won't stop you from getting it if your husband has it.

Do you honestly know how many people your partner has had sex with before meeting you?

Do I know if I even know if i've had a one night stand with someone carrying the virus before marrying my wife?
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If your husband has it then you almost certainly already have it too and there's no point in getting vaccinated anyway (unless you're in a remarkably sex-free marriage). If your husband doesn't have it and neither of you are planning on fucking other people, then there is again no need to get vaccinated.
takandjive said:
Uh, yeah. Because NEVER having sex until marriage is practical and a married guy comes with a stamp on his dick that says, "NO HPV!"
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You fail at reading comprehension. I said there's little reason to get the vaccine if you're already married. I never said anything about never having sex before marriage.
There is no conspiracy of silence, only a conspiracy of ignorance.

The FACTS are OUT THERE, and easily accessable.
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Of course the information is out there if you dig for it. I was talking about their massive marketing campaign that targets all women 26 and under.
 
KernNeart said:
i can understand making vaccinations manditroy on things like whopping cough, but my mother forced me to get an HPV shot and i was not at all comfortable with it.. they only have a limited number of years to fall back on.. what if at some later stage it become carsinigenic?
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What if HPV is already causally linked to another type of particularly nasty cancer? What if you plan to have sex with multiple people or use public restrooms? What if you decide you're not comfortable with pap smears either? Your mom isn't automatically wrong because she's your mom. You should not always agree with her, but if you're going to dissent, make a stronger argument so you actually have a chance to succeed.
 
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