The view from the couch - Tiassa's opinions about sciforums, its moderators and its members

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Certainly much harder on Trump supporters on threads from my experience.

Bulllshit.

Around here, people are more worried about the "big lie" of ufology, or maybe you missed it.

Moreover, I haven't seen the Administration doing the same things to drum right-wing crackpots out.

Additionally, I know from experience, having been a moderator, that the Administration is reluctant to crack down on certain crackpottery because it does not wish to disrupt those expressions.

Your short, low-observation, solipsistic experience is just a bit limited, in this case.

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Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon were Quakers. Now are you terrified?

Maybe if I was a terf, or an atheist; y'know, maybe if I was someone who relies on that kind of prejudice.

(Seriously, even if I add to that all the Quakers offended or were dangerous to me, we're up to three, and still fewer people than, say, atheists I've known who are bigots. Really, (Q), how is it that after all this time, your antireligious argument has failed to evolve?)
 
For the most part, it should be true if fascism is defined as a far-right ideology and that the right is usually considered the religious right. Shouldn't its supporters all be recognized as theists, albeit fake theists ? Where am I wrong here?

At the "shouldn't".

Fake theists? Well, that's the problem, (Q), you use crackpot definitions. Like I said, your old, crackpot definition of religion as belief in God is a likely candidate for your error: Your logic almost works if we trade out "theists" for "religious", and then we don't even need to think about "fake".

That was always the thing about atheistic focus on "theism"; it's almost like they would be religious if it didn't have to be about God. Well, hey, maybe it's good news for them, then, that the new megalomania puts its faith in money, executives, and technology.

Sorry T, I just never read your posts anymore. They were exciting 20 years ago, but now they read like a blog.

Be that as it may, it doesn't actually require that you make believe.

I've made it quite clear on many occasions that I leave the definition of words to references. I don't define religion. It always leads down many rabbit holes. If you don't rely on references, how do you define religion?

Here's one thing you made clear:

LOL, believing in God IS religion, you dope.

We talked about this a few years ago↗, (Q). It's one of the ironies that arises when you complain of certain cracpottery, that its permission is a symptom of what your free speech needed. But, to answer your question, I'll just point you back to 2013↗, when I addressed the question, then.

Will you be pointing out the odd few or can you explain your instance as an overall catch for fascists and theists? Please do explain this obvious mistake.

The problem would seem to be that you have trouble discerning between theism and religion.

It sure didn't seem like sarcasm. I could swear you were deathly afraid of Quakers.

If you're going to bullshit, try harder than being precisely wrong.

Meanwhile, look, you've been around long enough that you needn't go about it like you're new.
 
Grotesque:

Yes, exactly that. Being a theist is fine I put no qualifiers there at all.

Oh, look, the subject shifts again.

Still, there is the part you skipped out on:

• By comparison, why would anybody object to that? See, that's the thing, these blank declarations and basic fallacies skip out on the detail. To wit, if, for instance, you point to some perceived problem about theists and theism, I might actually agree; indeed, that's an essential component of the juxtaposition. ; indeed, that's an essential component of the juxtaposition.

But you just reset that to a blank slate. That is, you skipped out on the proposition of any problem in order to cover, what, merely "being" right-wing?​

We should not be surprised: Of course you skipped out on the part you're not capable of answering.

No.
Just responding to something you said. Ask Seattle if he thinks he has been given an easy ride because he supports Trump.
Also Sculptor.

You mean, ask two people who are still around how James drummed them out?

It's like when I said, over a year ago↗: For instance, if I ask you for a scientific definition of beauty, it's not any standard of mine, but part of the "science" that goes on around here.

It's one thing if you didn't feel like answering at the time, but here we are, and no, neither Seattle nor Sculptor have been treated so poorly. (The closest Seattle got was an infraction when he somehow personally offended James R about cryptocurrency.)

At the same time, though, I get it: You can't answer because you're just not capable.

Right?

That's why you say you were "just responding", while trying to ignore what you actually said, which in turn was, in fact, a false equivalence. It's one thing to have uttered, another entirely to explain what you said. You can do the one lots, but the other seems to challenge your capabilities.

Look, this isn't like being an atheist and thinking you only ever need one answer. You're going to have to do better than that.

Or Trek. I find that poster particularly difficult because he tells lies all the time but reading his replies on other things, indicates he applies the same level of thinking to everything.

Remember how quickly RIS departed. According to history, Trek will last much longer if he hollers about Trump and evil liberals but doesn't say anything so directly about God.

Ask the atheist neighbor who is allowed to advocate for mass murder. Ask the liberalish neighbor who received an infraction for making a joke about Donald Trump's stochastic terrorism. And then ask the Admin who thinks people are being too hard on Trump supporters, and who made both decisions.

Anyway, as we wait to see whether James R responds to Trek↗, remember that part of what complicates his answer is that he has, as Administrator, so constrained use of the word racist. While, normally, I find Trek's post an exercise in supremacist futility, the coincidence with James R actually makes the inquiry kind of interesting: He's being asked to give the kind of answer he normally criticizes of others, and, moreover, by one of the people his general argument↗ would seek to protect.

But the thing is this: The equivalent crackpottery and trolling would be treated more severely if it was about particular religion instead of particular politics.
 
But the thing is this: The equivalent crackpottery and trolling would be treated more severely if it was about particular religion instead of particular politics.
I disagree and cite this thread as evidence


Anyway, as we wait to see whether James R responds to Trek
Why? I have already answered.

At the same time, though, I get it: You can't answer because you're just not capable.

Intellectually? Careful how you answer.

Remember how quickly RIS departed. According to history, Trek will last much longer if he hollers about Trump and evil liberals but doesn't say anything so directly about God.
Glasgow Uni guy? He attacked just about everyone aggressively including me, zero to do with his views.
We turned it around before he requested to be banned.


And then ask the Admin who thinks people are being too hard on Trump supporters, and who made both decisions.
It usually boils back down to this. You need to let that go.
 
The 3 possible viewpoints, apparently are Tiassa's view, trolling, or crackpottery. It seems there aren't more than one valid view. Oh well...
 
The 3 possible viewpoints, apparently are Tiassa's view, trolling, or crackpottery. It seems there aren't more than one valid view. Oh well...
He seems to be concerned with the person answering, how people answer rather than the answer itself.
Religious views have been questioned on here for sure, what is a forum for after all?
Have they received a harder time than Trump voters/Non- democrat supporters? The length and speed of this thread to me says no.

Since I have answered his question three different ways now I will try not to answer it again.
 
I disagree and cite this thread as evidence

So, ask the guy who is still here how he was drummed out?

Like I said, we shouldn't be surprised that you skipped out on the detail.

Seriously, it's one thing if you disagree, but the coincidence between what you skip and what you don't get looks like either a reading comprehension problem or just plain rudeness.

To wit, as evidence:

Why? I have already answered.

Why are you asking me to repost what's already posted? Like I said, it's one thing if you disagree, but skipping the detail and then turning around and asking for what you skipped? A'ight, dude, whatever.

Anyway: … remember that part of what complicates his answer is that he has, as Administrator, so constrained use of the word racist. While, normally, I find Trek's post an exercise in supremacist futility, the coincidence with James R actually makes the inquiry kind of interesting: He's being asked to give the kind of answer he normally criticizes of others, and, moreover, by one of the people his general argument would seek to protect.

That's why.

Intellectually? Careful how you answer.

Well, the alternative is your intention to troll. One or the other, so if you want a third option, maybe skip the tough-guy clownery and try saying something useful.

Glasgow Uni guy? He attacked just about everyone aggressively including me, zero to do with his views.
We turned it around before he requested to be banned.

Actually, I'm just thinking about the fact that he even got the Admin to call out his Covid stuff. That wasn't necessarily normal. And it's true, the part of his bullshit I saw was in the Religion forum.

Still, though, that's the thing; not everybody is allowed to turn it around, and being right or wrong doesn't necessarily correspond to that difference.

It usually boils back down to this. You need to let that go.

You see, even you're more favorable toward right-wingers than religious people.

There is also this:

No. I have answered twice.

What does that even mean? That you uttered on two occasions? So, what?

You shifted the subject when― ... oh, that's right, you skipped over that part, last time. So, yeah, sure, again:

By comparison, why would anybody object to that? See, that's the thing, these blank declarations and basic fallacies skip out on the detail. To wit, if, for instance, you point to some perceived problem about theists and theism, I might actually agree; indeed, that's an essential component of the juxtaposition; indeed, that's an essential component of the juxtaposition.

But you just reset that to a blank slate. That is, you skipped out on the proposition of any problem in order to cover, what, merely "being" right-wing?

You shifted the subject when you changed the terms↗ of the juxtaposition. Maybe you thought nobody would notice.

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Think of, say, over twenty years of history you're not aware of. Yes, we are allowed to be much more abusive toward religious people, around here, than right-wingers.

(Q) and me↑, for instance; to some degree, he knows what I'm referring to when I remind that we're harder on theists. His hatred of religious people is ... dramatic.

For some, it seems a complicated point, but it's actually pretty simple: Despite claims to what is rational and scientific, some atheists at Sciforums needed crackpot definitions in order to rough up religious people. I never have understood why that is, but, whatever. A few years back, (Q) pretended to be aghast at a rightist's behavior, so I reminded that part of what distressed him was, in fact, a result of the sort of crackpot permission he needed. And, now, there he was, playing patty-cakes↑ with another one, so, yeah, I reminded him of the time I reminded him.

Or was that a little too meta for you?

The contrast point, here, is the the idea of being able to support our arguments, and why we gave up on that.
 
So, ask the guy who is still here how he was drummed out?
Who is that?

The guy who banned did that by request (Glasgow University -very smart but too gotcha and confrontational, we kissed and made up though)

Revelation in space (I think) said something anti Semitic and I lost my shit and called him a c***. I apologized to James for that. He was banned.

If it isn't those guys who was drummed out? Trek is still here and is both a Trump supporter AND a theist. Ask him what he has received more push back on.
Hopefully he will say, "Actually it was that awful Pinball who berated me for lying about creationists lying about children's education."

Zero point Native is an atheist I think so it's not him.
 
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Like I said, we shouldn't be surprised that you skipped out on the detail.
I am never quite sure what your details are about, you rarely seem to have any real points besides criticism of the posters or the site. They are quite beneath you possibly?

Why do you not connect instead?
 
Think of, say, over twenty years of history you're not aware of. Yes, we are allowed to be much more abusive toward religious people, around here, than right-wingers.
Right, ok you finally say something concise, succinct and to the point.

First, that twenty years of history is before I joined and I cannot go back and replay it.
The site is as it is now not twenty years or five years ago. It has the posters it has now including me, I am part of your community so respect that.

Right now, there is no abuse of religious views or for someone being purely religious or shouldn't be on this site.
However, nobody will come down harder on religion than me when it encroaches into things it should keep it's nose right out of.

That's a very different animal though.
 
You see, even you're more favorable toward right-wingers than religious people.
I am favourable towards Seattle but not Trek, one seems an honest intelligent poster and the other lies a lot.
Zero to do with politics.
I am favourable to all the left wing posters, most are American and are against Trump.
If I was a Yank I would vote democrat.
 
Well, the alternative is your intention to troll. One or the other, so if you want a third option, maybe skip the tough-guy clownery and try saying something useful.
I don't troll so don't accuse me that so you can take that one back. Ok?
Tough guy? Who said I was a tough guy?
 
Theism is the belief in one or more gods. Religion is a structured form of religious belief that is usually but not always theistic. Happy now?

It's less about whether I'm happy, (Q), than what is accurate.

Playing around with crackpottey is part of how atheists empowered the religious right.

But now you have plenty of religious crackpots to yell at; you must be so happy.
 
Trek is still here and is both a Trump supporter AND a theist. Ask him what he has received more push back on.

Here, let me repeat myself, yet again, because you skipped over that part of the discussion: Trek will last much longer if he hollers about Trump and evil liberals but doesn't say anything so directly about God.

Are you unable to grasp the idea that, historically, we have abused and suppressed religious posters much more than we have similarly crackpot supremacists and rightists?

Consider the two groups of people we're discussing: You're more worried about the people who have a possibility of doing harm more than the people who promise to harm.

I am never quite sure what your details are about, you rarely seem to have any real points besides criticism of the posters or the site. They are quite beneath you possibly?

That's your justification for make-believe?

First, that twenty years of history is before I joined and I cannot go back and replay it.
The site is as it is now not twenty years or five years ago. It has the posters it has now including me, I am part of your community so respect that.

Then stop ignoring history. Stop bullshitting. Stop making believe in order to argue against yourself. Connect, you say? Why can't you pay attention to what people are saying? Why can't you simply be a little more honest?

It's like your justification for make-believe: That you are criticizing what you haven't read is perfectly in line with your crackpottery. (The truth is that when I post on relgion and theology, some atheists get confused, and that makes them mad.)

Meanwhile, you say, "ok, you finally say something concise, succinct, and to the point", and then you ignore the four paragraphs that come after. I get that the details confuse you, but they are the details.

Tell me, Pinball, do things really change so much just because you don't know?

Why should my discussion be limited to your, or anyone else's ignorance?

Seriously, you got so mad you spent six posts saying nothing (or five, if we note you posted one of them twice).

I don't troll so don't accuse me that so you can take that one back. Ok?
Tough guy? Who said I was a tough guy?

Pathetic; look at you: Take it back! Take it back!

No.

And nobody said you were a tough guy. Pay attention: I said to maybe skip the tough-guy clownery and try saying something useful.

It's one thing to tilt windmills, but—important hint here—the ones made of straw that are so conveniently right in front of you are, more often than not, of your own construction.

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I guess, technically, it's not possible to "overuse" a word but practically speaking, you are overusing "crackpot" and "crackpottery". Maybe it's time to bring back "Twitterpation"?

Well, "twitterpation" worked well enough because it was an old word that people weren't using much that also made a pun of sorts back when that one social media site was called Twitter.

In the moment, though, we might use the word "crackpottery" because it both describes someone's underlying argument, and, generally speaking, other accurate words, like "dishonesty", just hurt those folks' feelings.
 
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Well, "twitterpation" worked well enough because it was an old word that people weren't using much that also made a pun of sorts back when that one social media site was called Twitter.

In the moment, though, we might use the word "crackpottery" because it both describes someone's underlying argument, and, generally speaking, other accurate words, like "dishonesty", just hurt those folks' feelings.
Do you ever consider that if, in your view, everyone is a crackpot, incapable of understanding and whatever other venom you spew, that the problem might be you?

I've never seen you post any indication that there is any legitimate viewpoint other than your own. That's hardly rational, wouldn't you agree? You use "rightist" as a slur as if the moderation is being tolerant if any viewpoint is anything other than the "progressive" one.

You accuse others of not understanding your posts but you rarely, if ever, spell out what your views actually are. We know they aren't pro crackpottery or "rightist".

So, what are they? I think you are left of most "leftists" on here aren't you? What are your views? Or are you so "deep" that we just wouldn't understand?

Why are you so bitter about the moderation on here, to the point of going back 20 years? There is hardly anyone reading this forum so worrying about the moderation and whether they are harder on theist or "crackpots" just seems silly. Are you actually just a silly person? It's OK if you are of course.
 
Do you ever consider that if, in your view, everyone is a crackpot, incapable of understanding and whatever other venom you spew, that the problem might be you?

Fallacy. Dishonest.

But, sure, just to entertain you: If that was how things went, you might have a point.

It's such wild exaggeration and arrogance to believe that a handful of antisocials at a backwater website somehow constitutes "everyone".

Also, on the point of people being incapable of understanding something, I can only go by what they tell me↑.

I've never seen you post any indication that there is any legitimate viewpoint other than your own.

But you don't really read my posts. I mean, duh.

You use "rightist" as a slur as if the moderation is being tolerant if any viewpoint is anything other than the "progressive" one.

Nazis in particular, fascists in general, Christian nationalists; rightism is diverse.

Here is a basic proposition: Right-wingers should be obliged to provide rational support for their arguments the same as, say, theists. Historically, at Sciforums, this was frowned upon for the risk of suppressing political views. Conservatives and rightists have never been expected to support their arguments.

That period, between ten and fifteen years, at least, has shaped discourse at Sciforums. Like you, for instance, just making shit up as you go.
 
It's less about whether I'm happy, (Q), than what is accurate.
So, you're here to tell us what is and what is not accurate when it comes to religion, theism, gods and other related delusions? If so, please tell me the appropriate term I'm to use when referring to someone from the Maga cult who says they believe in Jesus, yet has not read the bible or has any ethics and morals remotely related to the teachings of Christ?
Playing around with crackpottey is part of how atheists empowered the religious right.
Lol, I seriously doubt that.
But now you have plenty of religious crackpots to yell at; you must be so happy.
Ecstatic.
 
#StartMakingSense

That last statement is dishonest and a fallacy. There are legitimate viewpoints to the left of your own crackpottery.

Fallacious, dishonest: While there are legitimate viewpoints to my left, you have provided no argument to make them relevant to our discussion.

However, I can at least say this: It's kind of like when people complain that everyone who disagrees with me is called supremacist; that accusation is untrue, and those accusers apparently just don't notice when I adopt new information into my discussion precisely because someone who disagreed with me turned out to be right. That is to say, sometimes I learn from people who disagree. You should try it, sometime.

When I said "everyone" I was referring to everyone here, obviously.

And?

I mean, compared to "that last statement", as you put it, the last three paragraphs↑ referred to people "here". Observe, for instance, the phrases, "Historically, at Sciforums", and, "has shaped discourse at Sciforums".

Really, Seattle, it just doesn't work as well if you have to make believe in order to object to your own make-believe.
 
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