"The Video that should sink John McCains Presidential Dreams"

This information has been available to Republicans for months and it didn't stop him from getting the nomination, and it hasn't stopped both liberals and conservatives from maintaining this rose tinted version of McCain that they all admire. Trust me, it won't be issues of substance like this that will sink McCain. It'll be things of the Reverend Wright-Flag Lapel type in combination with Obama's strengths as a politician.
 
A redux of McCain lying about traveling through the streets of Baghdad without protection, and his lying about Patraeus traveling outside of the green zone in an unarmed humvee, along with Pat Buchanan's scorching of McCain's foreign policy and how it will inevitably lead to war with Iran.
 
ashura said:
A redux of McCain lying about traveling through the streets of Baghdad without protection,
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McCain was only putting a positive spin on an issue which most people feel negative about, I wouldn't call it lying.

I mean, Obama's trying to convince us he's some kind of Messiah who's going to save the world?


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DeepThought said:
McCain was only putting a positive spin on an issue which most people feel negative about, I wouldn't call it lying.

I mean, Obama's trying to convince us he's some kind of Messiah, for Gods sake, who's going to save the world?
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McCain's statement: Petraeus wanders around Iraq outside the green zone in an unarmored Humvee and there are neighborhoods in Iraq where an American can walk safely without protection.
Fact: There are no unarmored Humvees, and Petraeus is always protected, especially outside the green zone. And at that time, there were absolutely no neighborhoods where an American could walk without protection.

Seems like plain and simple lying to me. :shrug:
 
ashura said:
McCain's statement: Petraeus wanders around Iraq outside the green zone in an unarmored Humvee and there are neighborhoods in Iraq where an American can walk safely without protection.
Fact: There are no unarmored Humvees, and Petraeus is always protected, especially outside the green zone. And at that time, there were absolutely no neighborhoods where an American could walk without protection.

Seems like plain and simple lying to me. :shrug:
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I think the most you can call it is naive, a lot like Obama's insistence that Jerusalem must remain part of Israel, followd by his abrupt u-turn.
 
DeepThought said:
I think the most you can call it is naive, a lot like Obama's insistence that Jerusalem must remain part of Israel, followd by his abrupt u-turn.
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Heh, perhaps the difference between you and I is that I'm not giving our wonderful politicians enough credit. I think there is no matter of scale when it comes to McCain's statements, they were lies. Same with Obama's Jerusalem debacle. Same with Hillary's sniper account.
 
Well, Americans have been in South Korea over 60 years now so perhaps Iraq will be another South Korea if he is correct. I just don't see the point of leaving troops in Iraq for their going to get IED, sniped and harrased for whatever time they are there. The new government will only use the Americans as they want to , not letting them do what they should do but what they are told to do by the new administration in Iraq.
 
ashura said:
McCain's statement: Petraeus wanders around Iraq outside the green zone in an unarmored Humvee and there are neighborhoods in Iraq where an American can walk safely without protection.
Fact: There are no unarmored Humvees, and Petraeus is always protected, especially outside the green zone. And at that time, there were absolutely no neighborhoods where an American could walk without protection.

Seems like plain and simple lying to me. :shrug:
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Actually, some time the safest way to move about, is with out the entourage, who looks twice at a unobtrusive individual.

You wouldn't believe what you can get away with by going low profile.

and do you have proof that it hadn't been done?
 
Sure:

CNN's John Roberts in an interview with McCain, along with video:

[McCAIN CLIP]: General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed humvee. I think you oughta catch up. You are giving the old line of three months ago. I understand it. We certainly don’t get it through the filter of some of the media.

ROBERTS: Senator, did you mean to say that, that General Petraeus goes out every day in an unarmed humvee?

SEN. JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): I mean that there are neighborhoods safe in Iraq and he does go out into Baghdad and the fact is there has been significant progress and people are stuck in a time warp of three months ago. Of course, it’s still dangerous. Of course it’s still very dangerous. We only have two of the five brigades there and we are already seeing significant progress.

ROBERTS: Because I checked with General Petraeus’s people overnight and they said he never goes out in anything less than an up-armored humvee. You also told Bill Bennett on his radio program on Monday. You said there are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhood today yet retired General Barry McCaffrey said no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad without heavily armed protection. We’ve got two different stories here. Who’s right?
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Money quotes in bold.

Also, CNN reporter Michael Ware who's been in Iraq for years comments earlier:

WARE: Well, I’d certainly like to bring Sen. McCain up to speed if he ever gives me the opportunity. And if I have any difficulty hearing you right now Wolf, that’s because of the helicopters circling overhead and the gun battle that is blazing away just a few blocks down the road. Is Baghdad any safer? Sectarian violence, one particular type of violence, is down. But none of the American generals here on the ground have anything like Sen. McCain’s confidence. I mean, Sen. McCain’s credibility now on Iraq, which has been so solid to this point, is now being left out hanging to dry. To suggest that there’s any neighborhood in this city where an American can walk freely is beyond ludicrous. I’d love Sen. McCain to tell me where that neighborhood is and he and I can go for a stroll.

And to think that Gen. David Petraeus travels this city in an unarmed humvee? I mean, in the hour since Sen. McCain’s said this, I’ve spoken to military sources and there was laughter down the line. I mean, certainly the general travels in a humvee. There’s multiple humvees around it, heavily armed. There’s attack helicopters, predator drones, sniper teams, all sorts of layers of protection. So, no, Sen. McCain is way off base on this one.
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So it seems McCain has an overly optimistic military perspective. He even seems to have slipped up and stretched the truth quite a bit here. Who knows, he might have been a little uninformed.

Does this make you question his military experience or capability? I think I would probably still trust his over Obama's. Most americans aren't very educated on military matters, so how can we decide if McCain is wrong?

Unless this issue has little to do with military and more with the honesty of our candidates. In that case I would say this hurts McCain quite a bit.
 
Old news. He's done alot of things that should have sunk him, but Republicans are going to vote Republican.
 
spidergoat said:
Old news. He's done alot of things that should have sunk him, but Republicans are going to vote Republican.
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Dunno about that, considering his fundraising and polling numbers. Plus, there are (former? current?) Republicans who explicitly support Obama over McCain.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Actually, some time the safest way to move about, is with out the entourage, who looks twice at a unobtrusive individual.

You wouldn't believe what you can get away with by going low profile.

and do you have proof that it hadn't been done?
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Please tell me you're kidding. There's been more Journalists killed in this War then in the Vietnam War. That's why reporters have all but abandoned Iraq. Because they can't survive without heavy military support. And our military doesn't have the resources to provide all Journalists with armed protection. The more troops we send, means the worst it's getting. Them more that's coming home, the better it is.
 
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Not to mention, journalists in Iraq move around more freely than they did in Vietnam and do more "on-the-scene" or embedded style reporting.
 
I don't watch video attack ads, its a matter of ethics, even if they are about a withered old fart like mccain to who I will be voting against. Now if they could make a video of "Young John McCain" that I would watch, because parody is always better the seriousness!

DeepThought said:
There's a much bigger media presence in Iraq than Vietnam, hence the higher death toll.
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You mean the greater focus on death toll, because we lost nearly 60,000 men in vietnam.
 
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