The universe is a mathematical construct

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Write4U, Dec 6, 2020.

1. river

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Any physical thing wether alive or not is going to have equations and values . Your restricting creation and evolution . You should realise this .

3. James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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I agree with you on that.

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5. Write4UValued Senior Member

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Mathematics is the "Language of the Universe".
The proof lies in the fact that we can mathematically quantify and qualify everything ! Well, almost everything.....

p.s. creation and evolution are mathematical probabilities. It's all mathematical.

7. river

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Because it exists , three dimensionally . Its nothing new . Objects by their very Nature have these properties and depth . Because they are physical . Not just numbers .

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8. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Here's another zinger: there is no programming language that can write a program.

No siree, writing a program requires a programming language, but something needs to be added to get a working model of program construction. I wonder what it could be?

9. Write4UValued Senior Member

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Nobody is writing a program except humans.

10. James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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I wonder too. Have you found the answer?

11. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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I thought I came close once, after climbing a mountain. But I was probably still too young to really get into the philosophical implications.

But on a more serious note, humans invented computers and gave them instruction sets. If, as some conjecture, the universe is a computer then it must have an instruction set; possibly the programs are self-assembling. On the other hand, you can define a computation as having an input and an output; really a computation is the algorithmic transformation of information; some or all of the input might be erased, and so on.

So all you need to do is show that gravity, electromagnetism and the weak and strong interactions somehow form a language. Maybe the particles in the SM are actually bits of code.

So yeah, good luck with that.

12. Write4UValued Senior Member

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They do!
It's the language of relational values and algebraic interactive function, i.e. Mathematics.

The Universe itself is a geometry. A mathematical object.

What is the topology of the universe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe#

To clarify "interactive functions";

Algebraic function
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_function

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13. river

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Without the Physical None of this would happen . That is a truth . An Absolute Truth . Nor Possible .

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14. Write4UValued Senior Member

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What you need to know is that all physical interactions are based on just a few mathematical laws. That is because many physical objects have a few common denominators which guide their expressed behaviors and interactions.

It is impossible to express physical actions and reactions without identifying the mathematical values involved.
i.e. apple + apple = apple? or 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples!

Physical behaviors are based on mathematical potentials, i.e. that which is mathematically allowed or restricted based on the inherent value of the physical object.

What you see as a biblical statement of God's identity is really a mathematical statement of Euler's identity.

i am that i am
= Euler's identity........

Euler's identity

e is Euler's number, the base of natural logarithms,
i is the imaginary unit, which by definition satisfies i2 = −1, and
π is pi, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_identity

15. river

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Wrong

Physical Interactions are based on what Physical Objects Do , amoungest themselves . Not any mathematical laws . These " laws " come after the understanding of Physical Interactions . By Physical Objects .

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16. Write4UValued Senior Member

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No. Physical Interactions are based on what the physical mathematics allow.
Physical objects consists of mathematical patterns. What makes a thing physical is the shape and density of its mathematical pattern.

Relationship between mathematics and physics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_mathematics_and_physics

Mathematics is the only way physics can be described in precise terms.

17. river

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True

But it is not fundamental of the Physics . ( not the reason why physics exists in the first place )

18. river

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Mathematics is a tool of understanding the physical world . Not the creation of the physical world .

19. Write4UValued Senior Member

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IMO, physics is the study of expressed patterns in nature, mathematics is the language of expressions in nature.

Mathematics is an inherent essence of nature. That's why we are able to codify and symbolize natural phenomena.

20. river

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But not the esssence of why Nature does what it does . Interactions between objects are because of the very Nature of the Physical Objects themselves . Not any mathematics as a consequence of interactions .

21. Write4UValued Senior Member

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You see mathematics of physics as numbers and numbers don't have force, I agree. But I see mathematics of physics as values and values do have force, that's the difference.

Physics without a value also doesn't have force. Its the value of an object that defines the object . And values are expressed in mathematical measurements.

22. river

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Which comes First Write4U physics or mathematics ?

23. Write4UValued Senior Member

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They are aspects of the same thing. Physics describe the type of objects, Values describe the inherent potentials of the objects.