Wizard of Whatever
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"Separate the wheat from the chaff."
"By their fruits ye shall know them."
"By their fruits ye shall know them."
The two most important verses in the NT.
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Плевел - сорняк. "Отделить зёрна от плевел", означает отделить полезное от вредного.
"По плодам их узнаете их" - "дерево узнаётся по плодам, а человек по делам"(русская пословица). Означает то, что людей нужно оценивать не по их словам, а по их делам.
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
NT. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
OT: I like this from Ecclesiastes, "eat drink and be merry."
OT: I like this from Ecclesiastes, "eat drink and be merry."
exchemist
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I like the follow up to your NT one:
“Does no one condemn you?
“ No one, Sir.”
“ Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more.”
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
I like that book. Is this the only book that says (paraphrasing)
Once you are in the ground that's it, which is pretty much what Judaism thought about death at the time. That did not start to change till Daniel ISH.
exchemist
Valued Senior Member
I don’t know the OT thoroughly enough to comment.
This summary of the development in Judaism of the idea of the soul, and thus of an afterlife, suggests these ideas came later and have evolved further over many centuries: https://www.saet.ac.uk/Judaism/DeathandAfterlife
HonestJoe
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Sounds like it was a farming almanac that has been grossly misunderstood
I suspect the key lines are sadly missed out of most versions;
"This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events, is purely coincidental."
And;
"Don't try this at home."
Wizard of Whatever
Registered Senior Member
Then bless the good ice cream makers.
The John Show
Oh, do go on.
Please.
Matthew 3.1-12 (RSV)↱:
Matthew 7.12-27 (RSV)↱:
Matthew 25.31-46 (RSV)↱:
Let him who hath wisdom: From the one to the next to the third. It's a question of application.
Oh, do go on.
Please.
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Matthew 3.1-12 (RSV)↱:
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." Now John wore a garment of camel's hair, and a leather girdle around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan, and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sad'ducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruit that befits repentance, and do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father'; for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry; he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the granary, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire."
Matthew 7.12-27 (RSV)↱:
"Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'
"Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'
"Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."
Matthew 25.31-46 (RSV)↱:
"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.' Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' Then he will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
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Let him who hath wisdom: From the one to the next to the third. It's a question of application.
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Matthew 27:25
"His blood be on us and our children."
Setting the Jews up for a lot of bad shit down the centuries.
"His blood be on us and our children."
Setting the Jews up for a lot of bad shit down the centuries.
My favourite verse is from Disclaimer 1:1
"Any resemblance of the characters, events, or miracles described herein to actual persons, living or dead, or to events that definitely may or may not have happened, is entirely, completely, and absolutely coincidental."
On a more serious note:
Luke 6:31 - "Do to others as you would have them do to you"
James 4:14 - "What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."
FYI, I am an agnostic, but who says the Bible is just for the religious.
"Any resemblance of the characters, events, or miracles described herein to actual persons, living or dead, or to events that definitely may or may not have happened, is entirely, completely, and absolutely coincidental."
On a more serious note:
Luke 6:31 - "Do to others as you would have them do to you"
James 4:14 - "What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."
FYI, I am an agnostic, but who says the Bible is just for the religious.
Агностик, как тот "благоразумный Мойша"?My favourite verse is from Disclaimer 1:1
"Any resemblance of the characters, events, or miracles described herein to actual persons, living or dead, or to events that definitely may or may not have happened, is entirely, completely, and absolutely coincidental."
On a more serious note:
Luke 6:31 - "Do to others as you would have them do to you"
James 4:14 - "What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."
FYI, I am an agnostic, but who says the Bible is just for the religious.
I'd go with Matthew 25:40 - "Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me" and Luke 6:31 - "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Most of the problems in the world today would be avoided if people heeded those.
right. That is where most religions fail, because allowing for Math12:50, all members are Christ's family, not just the Big cheeses. popes, bishops that receive most the of the benefits. That verse does not apply to the governors.
Wizard of Whatever
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Judaism doesn't like to consider life after death ( pro or con ) because nothing concrete can be known about it until it happens.