The Truth: The Mathematical Proof Of God, The Holy Trinity.

[kingiyk]

1. Posting in the form of images is the equivalent of paying your tax bill in pennies. It's passive aggressive. But OK.

2. This is a discussion forum. You are expected to engage in a two-way dialogue. We expect answers. Mere preaching is strongly discouraged, and will be reported as a violation of the rules.



Here's another example of disingenuous numerology.

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See Rule 1. If there's twenty-six things, make up another one. Now you have twenty-seven.

1. Why do you need to add "&"? It is not a letter of the alphabet. (I mean, why - other than to force an arbitrary set to be the number you want?) Can you answer this?

2. The authors of the Bible did not use the English alphabet. Can you explain why you've chosen a modern, western language to make your point?

3. The English alphabet did not have 26 letters until the 16th century. Long after the original manuscripts of the Bible were written. Can you explain how this is relevant?

4. You missed the fact that 27 is 3 to the power of 3. If you include this in your "proof" I want credit.

5. You still haven't explained how playing with numbers (let alone making numbers up) says anything about the real world. Can you explain that?



You keep calling it a proof, and you keep referring to math as your universal language of choice. OK. In math, a proof is only proven if every single one of its premises holds true. If a single premise is flawed, the proof fails. We've drilled holes in, what? a half dozen of your premises now? I'd say your proof has been disproven. Wouldn't you agree?

If you have a better way of transferring the work onto this site, your suggestion will be much noted.

To begin, all things were created by God through Man. Man is but a vessel to execute the will of God. It is how we arrived at the 12-hour time clock, it is how we arrived at the base 10 numeral system: Colossians 1:16

"1. Why do you need to add "&"? It is not a letter of the alphabet. (I mean, why - other than to force an arbitrary set to be the number you want?) Can you answer this?"

The ampersand (or omega, &) was and is the 27th letter of the alphabets and was never officially removed. Google this.
As for why the English language was chosen, it is will of God.

I take it you are in agreement with the other segments of The Proof.

 

[DaveC426913]

If you have a better way of transferring the work onto this site, your suggestion will be much noted.

Yes, Paste the text. So we can break it out and quote it.

To begin, all things were created by God through Man... Man is but a vessel to execute the will of God.

This is just stating your premise over and over. It's preaching. Most of your "Proof" this of this form. It is puffery.

It is how we arrived at the 12-hour time clock, it is how we arrived at the base 10 numeral system: Colossians 1:16

No it isn't.

Base 10 number system preceded Colossians by about 500 years.

The Egyptians divided the the day and night into 12 even parts. That's thousands of years before your Colossians.

"1. Why do you need to add "&"? It is not a letter of the alphabet. (I mean, why - other than to force an arbitrary set to be the number you want?) Can you answer this?"

The ampersand (or omega, &) was and is the 27th letter of the alphabets and was never officially removed. Google this.

There are lots of characters that adjoin the alphabet are various times. They come and go. Why choose this one, except because it gets the results you want?

What does whether it was "officially" removed have to do with God or ancient manuscripts? Who "officially removed" it? Are you telling us that Webster's and Oxford gets to tell God what language he is to use?

Or did you just pull it out of the air because it matches your need for multiples of 3 - and 26 does not?

As for why the English language was chosen, it is will of God.

Says who? The Bible says English is God's chosen language? I'd like to see that.

Modern English (with 26 letters) didn't even exist until at least fourteen centuries later.

I take it you are in agreement with the other segments of The Proof.

No.

Most of it is just unevidenced opinions about what God is - i.e. preaching (see above). The few items that are left are the only thing to address. I've dismantled most of them already, and the rest suffer the same error: arbitrary manipulation of arbitrary numbers to fit the premise.

In a mathematical "proof" - as you keep invoking - if a single premise collapses, it takes the whole proof with it. And I've dismantled a half dozen or so.

 

[billvon]

I take it you are in agreement with the other segments of The Proof.

Nope.

So now that you know that your golden theory is flawed, what will you do next? Ignore the flaws? Just switch to a new theory and claim THAT is flawless?

I am guessing you are going to 100% ignore the flaws and just refuse to answer any questions about them. Let's see if I am right.

As for why the English language was chosen, it is will of God.

The original Bible was not in English. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Greek. A few chapters in Daniel were written in Aramaic. It wasn't translated into English until 1382, which means that for most of the Bible's existence, no English version existed.

Another HUGE flaw in your theory!

 

[Pinball1970]

I take it you are in agreement with the other segments of The Proof

Ok I have come back to post because you have posted your "proof," thank you.

The guys are making points regarding the numbers and language so no need to reiterate.

My question stands as before. The Trinity is nothing to do with the Bible.
The concept of the Trinity outlined in John was a later addendum hundreds of years after the original Gospels were written.
One source says 4th century which ties in with the 325 council in Nicaea.

So the concept of the Trinity is man made and totally removed from the life and times of Jesus.
In fact the concept of Jesus being god, one of the three in the trinity was also a later concept again ironed out at Nicaea.

 

[Pinball1970]

Just add as I was not explicit. The original John was penned in the first century around 95 CE, the later addendums regarding the trinity were added in the fourth century according to scholars, around 200 years later.

As an aside regarding the cross, some scholars say the cross may not have been a cross, scripture is not explicit.
The 'cross' may have been a single 'stake' if you look up the translation.
So you have language and numbers issues plus historical questions to consider with your thesis.

 

[foghorn]

Any Jehovah's Witnesses here to take on Kingiyk’s use of a cross?
The Jehovah chaps say it was a stake.
It’s one of those translation things to do with old ancient meanings of words when translating one language to another.
Of course, all the old translators ‘fully understood’ their transcribing.
This will go on until judgment day when it will all be sorted.

One group will be able to look down on the graves of the other group and say…
"We have risen because we were right blar blar blar… “

What's going on... Pinball just jumped-in ahead of me.

 

[Pinball1970]

Any Jehovah's Witnesses here to take on Kingiyk’s use of a cross?
The Jehovah chaps say it was a stake.
It’s one of those translation things to do with old ancient meanings of words when translating one language to another.
Of course, all the old translators ‘fully understood’ their transcribing.
This will go on until judgment day when it will all be sorted.

One group will be able to look down on the graves of the other group and say…

“We have risen because we were right blar blar blar… “
What's going on... Pinball just jumped-in ahead of me.

Funnily enough it was a JW who told me about the cross. A lovely lad called James who I worked with years ago.
We had some great discussions.

 

[kingiyk]

Just add as I was not explicit. The original John was penned in the first century around 95 CE, the later addendums regarding the trinity were added in the fourth century according to scholars, around 200 years later.

As an aside regarding the cross, some scholars say the cross may not have been a cross, scripture is not explicit.
The 'cross' may have been a single 'stake' if you look up the translation.
So you have language and numbers issues plus historical questions to consider with your thesis.

The Proof is not dependent upon our historical knowledge, nor is it dependent upon the thoughts of fallible Scholars. But rather, upon CONSISTENCY and The Word of God.

It begins with the definition of The Holy Trinity: A single God existing as three identical entities.
Then it proceeds to define the Trinity of Numbers: A single number existing as three identical numbers: e.g. 111, 222, etc.

Then it proceeds to reveal a phenomenon of this unique numbers: The digital root of these numbers are either 3,6,or 9 and through this recurring sequence: The Holy Trinity was derived (333) as illustrated in the proof.

When the cross was fixed into the time clock (as explained with Romans: 5:6, The Word of God) This same number (333) was derived.

CONSISTENT!!!

The Earth is the third of nine planets for a reason. This results to the same number yet again (333) as illustrated in the proof.

CONSISTENT!!!

As if that wasn't convincing enough(it was), it goes further to illustrate how the number 333 is significant to the word of God
Old Testament: 39
New Testament: 27
(see proof for full illustration)

CONSISTENT!!!
Next, it explains Genesis 1:26, which states that man was made in the image of God.

On The cross, Man is comprised of three distinct parts, three and One are the same (both arms) and when the cross is fixed into a time clock, this
three and one are represented by 3&9. (See Proof for full illustration). Yet again, we see 333 manifest itself.

CONSISTENT!!!
There is no better way to show a beginning than with numbers. The Bible states that God is the beginning and the end.

1 2345678 9(333)

God is One and He is a Trinity.

Yet again, the numbers 333 is manifested.


CONSISTENT!!!

 

[Sarkus]

CONSISTENT!!!

You still don't know what "proof" is. Consistent
You still refuse to address the issues people are raising. Consistent
You are still spouting your belief as if it is fact. Consistent
You still are still, as far as I am concerned at least, still talking nonsense. Consistent

This thread should still be cesspooled. Consistent


Oh, look: consistency. Therefore must be proof, right?

 

[Pinball1970]

It begins with the definition of The Holy Trinity: A single God existing as three identical entities.

What begins like that? What do you mean by "the word of god."
I have just explained that the trinity concept was made up around 300 years after the death of Jesus.

dependent upon the thoughts of fallible Scholars.

Fallible scholars who are professional academics? Who can read the ancient manuscripts in their original languages? Hebrew, Greek, Coptic, Latin?
Who gave us modern translations of those manuscripts?

You would know absolutely nothing about the life of Jesus if it was not for those "fallible" scholars.

 

[Pinball1970]

The Earth is the third of nine planets for a reason.

Which nine are you referring to?

 

[Pinball1970]

: The digital root of these numbers are either 3,6,or 9 and

You need to stop with this. A "root" in mathematics actually means something. Root of a quadratic, cube root, fourth root.
"Digital root" is made up and is meaningless.

 

[Pinball1970]

Next, it explains Genesis 1:26, which states that man was made in the image of God.

False, man evolved.

On The cross, Man is comprised of three distinct parts,

Or one like a stake.

The Bible states that God is the beginning and the end.

Verse? Also why should I trust what the Bible says? Does the Bible have any errors, inconsistencies, conflict with science?

 

[Pinball1970]

CONSISTENT!!!

You can stop with that too. Yelling/bold capitals and putting multiple exclamation marks comes across as tantrum.

 

[DaveC426913]

The Proof is not dependent upon our historical knowledge,

It is. Demonstrably so. It is written in your own "proof".

The use of the base 10 counting system.
The counting of nine planets.
The dependenency on the English language.
The counting of the alphabet.

nor is it dependent upon the thoughts of fallible Scholars. But rather, upon CONSISTENCY and The Word of God.

It is entirely written by fallible humans. It is also translated by fallible scholars.

Then it proceeds to define the Trinity of Numbers: A single number existing as three identical numbers: e.g. 111, 222, etc.

You mention this a number of times. I have yet to see its application in any of your "proof".

Then it proceeds to reveal a phenomenon of this unique numbers: The digital root of these numbers are either 3,6,or 9 and through this recurring sequence: The Holy Trinity was derived (333) as illustrated in the proof.

What does 333 have to do with the Holy Trinity?

You still haven't explained how arbitrarily chosen numbers, picked at your convenience, prove anything about God.

Consider: If I were to write up "proof" that showed pi equals - not 3.14159, but exactly 3 - do you expect that every circle in the universe would suddenly be a straight-sided hexagon? Abstract numbers don't affect the real world.

When the cross was fixed into the time clock (as explained with Romans: 5:6, The Word of God) This same number (333) was derived.

How ?

CONSISTENT!!!

The Earth is the third of nine planets for a reason. This results to the same number yet again (333) as illustrated in the proof.

No it doesn't.
There are not 333 planets.
You made that up.

As if that wasn't convincing enough(it was), it goes further to illustrate how the number 333 is significant to the word of God
Old Testament: 39
New Testament: 27
(see proof for full illustration)

What does 39 and 27 haave to do with 333? And so what? They were written by people.

CONSISTENT!!!
Next, it explains Genesis 1:26, which states that man was made in the image of God.

Genesis is an allegory. Mankind actally evolved from simpler creatures - proto-primates.

On The cross, Man is comprised of three distinct parts, three and One are the same (both arms)

If we disccount every other part of his body, you mean. Why do you do that?

and when the cross is fixed into a time clock,

12-hour time was invented thousands of years before, by the Egyptians.

three and one are represented by 3&9. (See Proof for full illustration).

What??

Yet again, we see 333 manifest itself.

3 and 9 do not add or multiply to 333. You are maknig that up.

There is no better way to show a beginning than with numbers. The Bible states that God is the beginning and the end.

1 2345678 9(333)

I have no idea what this means. Are we just supposed to join the dots? That is not how proofs work. It is up to you to join the dots.

God is One and He is a Trinity.

Yet again, the numbers 333 is manifested.

No it isn't. What does one and three have to do with 333?

CONSISTENT!!!

It is the opposite (dare I say, OPPOSITE) of consistent.

You manipulate numbers, inconsistently, as you see fit.
You add and subtract arbitrarily until you reach the numbers you like.
You make up facts that are demonstrably anachronistic and false.
You claim mathematical relationships that aren't true (333).

Not merely one premise, but all of them have been debunked. Your "proof" (really, a conjecture) has crumbled into dust.

Back to the drawing board?

 

[(Q)]

The Proof is not dependent upon our historical knowledge, nor is it dependent upon the thoughts of fallible Scholars. But rather, upon CONSISTENCY and The Word of God.

In other words, toss out facts, evidence and understanding and replace with belief.

It begins with the definition of The Holy Trinity: A single God existing as three identical entities.
Then it proceeds to define the Trinity of Numbers: A single number existing as three identical numbers: e.g. 111, 222, etc.

Then it proceeds to reveal a phenomenon of this unique numbers: The digital root of these numbers are either 3,6,or 9 and through this recurring sequence: The Holy Trinity was derived (333) as illustrated in the proof.

When the cross was fixed into the time clock (as explained with Romans: 5:6, The Word of God) This same number (333) was derived.

CONSISTENT!!!

Tricycles: Have three wheels CONSISTENT!!!
Triangles: Have three sides CONSISTENT!!!
Traffic lights: Have three colors: red, yellow, and green CONSISTENT!!!
The three primary colors: Red, blue, and yellow CONSISTENT!!!
The three states of matter: Solid, liquid, and gas CONSISTENT!!!
The three meals a day: Breakfast, lunch, and dinner CONSISTENT!!!
The three dimensions: Length, width, and height CONSISTENT!!!
The three Olympic medals: Gold, silver, and bronze CONSISTENT!!!
Alvin and the Chipmunks: Three high-pitched chipmunks who have been entertaining audiences since 1958 CONSISTENT!!!
Harry, Ron, and Hermione: The trio of wizards from the Harry Potter series CONSISTENT!!
Charlie's Angels: A trio of globe-trotting spies CONSISTENT!!!
The Powerpuff Girls: A trio of crime-fighting superheroes CONSISTENT!!!
Jack, Janet, and Chrissy: The trio from the TV show Three's Company CONSISTENT!!!

Wow, it's just so easy to be CONSISTENT!!!

 

[gmilam]

12-hour time was invented thousands of years before, by the Egyptians.

And their "clockface" looked like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...an_antiquities_-_Ancient_Egyptian_sundial.jpg

 

[billvon]

The Proof is not dependent upon our historical knowledge, nor is it dependent upon the thoughts of fallible Scholars. But rather, upon CONSISTENCY and The Word of God.

OK. So now that we know it's not consistent (see over a dozen examples) where does that leave you and your theory?

 

[kingiyk]

....Still, I remain hopeful.

 

[Sarkus]

Ignorance is nothing one should be hopeful of.