I would say you are either joking or insane.
The speed of flying saucers and blinking out phenomenon
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I would say you are either joking or insane.
Gosh, I had no idea! I really feel sorry for all of the families that have been torn apart by the goddamn aliens shooting down our planes with their evil death rays. Could you please let me know the names of the poor pilots and crews that have lost their lives to the alien menace, I want to thank the families of these brave men that defended the earth from the extraterrestrial scourge!
By the way have your taken any hallucinogenic drugs in the past several hours - just curious.
Ok, insane it is.
Billvon,
I've decided to write a little about each case, just so that I am not dropping you with something which you have claimed to read and understand, but probably haven't. Let's do this one event at a time and establish whether you can make intelligent conversation on the subject.
Let's start off our little investigation in Australia, in a little suburban settlement called Westall in Melbourne. Groups of school children are about to finish for recess when the school suddenly became astir by a strange object that could be seen above their school in full view through the windows. The teachers also saw the object.
The children run outside, like a stampede all pointing to the unusual object in the sky, which is reported to have been of a blue metal tinge, disk shaped and moving slowly at first over the school. They continued running after it and into a field where some said it had even landed for a brief moment before rising up into the air and flying off again. It was said, within moments of the disk disappearing from view over the horizon that Military buzzed the area. Men dressed in black, presumably agents visited the school so that they could interview some of the students and the teachers.
As some of the school children explain what they saw, the mysterious men shrug off the incident and one girl (now woman) recalls they made a kind of laughing matter out of it, she remembers how frustrated she felt, she reports later. Of course, the students had not only seen it... but the teachers.
The agents interviewed the school teachers, they told them it was nothing and that if they ever said anything about the incident they would be made an example of ridicule. Many of the students remember being briefed by the headmaster the next day that they where not to talk about the subject and just to let it remain in their past... but some reporters did get in on the action and some small articles where published around the same time; most non-existing now, except for a few newspaper clippings of the incident in the local library.
Recently a reporter went to investigate the claims made, with some startling results.
The clarity of the statements was incredibly, ranging from different students who were present that day when the object flew over head. Many explain how strange it was and like nothing they had ever seen before, some even needed counselling. One woman remembered how her school mate, in the midst of all the excitement had collapses near the school grounds, it wasn't long until a Military medical vehicle had taken her away. The woman reports that was the last time she ever saw her.
However, a separate investigator did find the woman, but the story runs short there because the female said she didn't want to discuss what happened that day, unfortunately.
The original reporter however, did come across old tape recordings of the science teacher, which evidently supports the event happened. The family members of the chemistry teacher told the reporter how the event had changed his life. Interestingly, going back to the day the agents had visited the school, one teacher had taken photographs of the aerial object... but it had been confiscated. This led the reporter to the vaults with a serial number. When he came across the container, it was empty, suggesting a cover up... perhaps the photographs never even saw the box.
It's just extraordinary as many cases of UFO's go, that we have such... an interesting collection of witnesses, a mass sighting by no doubts, by perhaps the most innocent of society. One might argue ''they are children, children make things up.'' Except, this involved the teachers of the school as well, including some other residents close in the area.
It could be argued it was a Military project, but it's far more likely the Military had been following the object. It's unclear where they could have came from, but there are a number of military bases in the area. One particular retired officer when asked his opinion said, ''it's unlikely they came from these bases because they arrived in the area too quickly,'' didn't add up for me. They could have been and most likely, been chasing the object for a while. If it had been a military project, this doesn't answer why they carelessly flew one of their prototypes over a crowded public area. It doesn't add up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westall_UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ih31ehCarM
What do you think about this case, Billvon, what are your thoughts on the subject. I'd be interested what resources you can use to try and dismiss this event... this is however one of many hard to deny events I am willing to discuss.
I've decided to write a little about each case, just so that I am not dropping you with something which you have claimed to read and understand, but probably haven't. Let's do this one event at a time and establish whether you can make intelligent conversation on the subject.
Let's start off our little investigation in Australia, in a little suburban settlement called Westall in Melbourne. Groups of school children are about to finish for recess when the school suddenly became astir by a strange object that could be seen above their school in full view through the windows. The teachers also saw the object.
The children run outside, like a stampede all pointing to the unusual object in the sky, which is reported to have been of a blue metal tinge, disk shaped and moving slowly at first over the school. They continued running after it and into a field where some said it had even landed for a brief moment before rising up into the air and flying off again. It was said, within moments of the disk disappearing from view over the horizon that Military buzzed the area. Men dressed in black, presumably agents visited the school so that they could interview some of the students and the teachers.
As some of the school children explain what they saw, the mysterious men shrug off the incident and one girl (now woman) recalls they made a kind of laughing matter out of it, she remembers how frustrated she felt, she reports later. Of course, the students had not only seen it... but the teachers.
The agents interviewed the school teachers, they told them it was nothing and that if they ever said anything about the incident they would be made an example of ridicule. Many of the students remember being briefed by the headmaster the next day that they where not to talk about the subject and just to let it remain in their past... but some reporters did get in on the action and some small articles where published around the same time; most non-existing now, except for a few newspaper clippings of the incident in the local library.
Recently a reporter went to investigate the claims made, with some startling results.
The clarity of the statements was incredibly, ranging from different students who were present that day when the object flew over head. Many explain how strange it was and like nothing they had ever seen before, some even needed counselling. One woman remembered how her school mate, in the midst of all the excitement had collapses near the school grounds, it wasn't long until a Military medical vehicle had taken her away. The woman reports that was the last time she ever saw her.
However, a separate investigator did find the woman, but the story runs short there because the female said she didn't want to discuss what happened that day, unfortunately.
The original reporter however, did come across old tape recordings of the science teacher, which evidently supports the event happened. The family members of the chemistry teacher told the reporter how the event had changed his life. Interestingly, going back to the day the agents had visited the school, one teacher had taken photographs of the aerial object... but it had been confiscated. This led the reporter to the vaults with a serial number. When he came across the container, it was empty, suggesting a cover up... perhaps the photographs never even saw the box.
It's just extraordinary as many cases of UFO's go, that we have such... an interesting collection of witnesses, a mass sighting by no doubts, by perhaps the most innocent of society. One might argue ''they are children, children make things up.'' Except, this involved the teachers of the school as well, including some other residents close in the area.
It could be argued it was a Military project, but it's far more likely the Military had been following the object. It's unclear where they could have came from, but there are a number of military bases in the area. One particular retired officer when asked his opinion said, ''it's unlikely they came from these bases because they arrived in the area too quickly,'' didn't add up for me. They could have been and most likely, been chasing the object for a while. If it had been a military project, this doesn't answer why they carelessly flew one of their prototypes over a crowded public area. It doesn't add up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westall_UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ih31ehCarM
What do you think about this case, Billvon, what are your thoughts on the subject. I'd be interested what resources you can use to try and dismiss this event... this is however one of many hard to deny events I am willing to discuss.
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Here is a sketch, lower picture of the objects
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hFoj6xCP8...gKraSMw/s1600/John+Lennon+UFO+Westall+UFO.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hFoj6xCP8...gKraSMw/s1600/John+Lennon+UFO+Westall+UFO.JPG
Yep, that great point and doesn't make you look crazy at all.
correct, just shows your mentality.
which for some reason, i always feel like i'm talking to a 12 year old mentality
which is probably why you run your mouth with ignorance all the time.
I think people saw a flying object they couldn't explain. There are several possibilities, ranging from a target drouge to a military aircraft. From what you have listed (and from what I have read about this incident separately) there is no proof that extraterrestrial aliens had anything to do with it. "I don't know what it was" does not equal "therefore it was extraterrestrials."
Let me give you an example from my own personal experience. I was once flying west back towards New York City along the south shore of Long Island. I was at about 1500 feet just off the coast of the beach. Below me I saw a vehicle with a red and blue light fly below me. I was quite aware of it since:
1) I was flying VFR and of course VFR pilots _have_ to be aware of what's around them.
2) It was flying approximately my course and speed, and these courses present the highest risk of collision for pilots.
3) Rather than the traditional red, green and white navigation lights/red beacon/anticollision strobes this vehicle just had red and blue lights.
He was about 500 feet below me (as best I could determine at night) and he followed my course for about 10 minutes. Just before my first reporting point for Republic (the Captree bridge) he turned sharply and descended. I watched him for a while because it looked like he was descending very dramatically and he was already low. I lost sight of him under my own fuselage, and when I turned North at Captree I couldn't see him any more. He never called into the Republic tower, they didn't see him on radar (I asked) and when I asked around at the FBO no one had seen a similar aircraft.
What could it have been? Let's examine some possibilities:
1) A police or rescue helicopter that happened to have blue and red lights
2) A homebuilt aircraft with an eccentric builder who preferred blue to green
3) An extraterrestial spaceship that was shadowing me to investigate humanity
It could have been all 3. Which are most likely, in your opinion?
Billvon, I see you have wrote in my thread and replied to this also. I have a question for you, would you know what a technological timeline is?
It's basically the timeline or evolution of human technology. It's unclear what speed the object travelled at, but it was reported to move, fast and unlike anything anyone had seen. This was in 1966.
Even before this in 1952 in Washington, several objects penetrated the air space right over the White House. Obviously this caused national alarm and the Military ended up sending... their very best in aviation capabilities after the object. The interception of the objects failed. It was noted by officials working in the Military that the UFO's displayed an intelligent control for they seem to have evaded air craft at all costs. To do this, it was reported the objects moved at incredible speeds, like nothing known by any modern of the day vehicle. In 1952, it's hard to imagine anything of such a speed.
The technological timeline of Westall doesn't add up either: The reason why is because we are dealing with a saucer - undeniably a saucer since that is what everyone reported.
What is the problem with this? Well, it might not mean anything to you, but you can ask any aviation expert you like. You can't really have saucers that successfully get into the air. We know this is true because in 1947 the Military set up an initially, top secret project to create a successful flying saucer. They failed... actually quite miserably. The saucer barely got off the ground.
This is still true today. Yes we can slimline certain vehicles which look a bit more like saucers, but generally a full saucer shape isn't aerodynamically feasible... at least with the methods used and a rocket propulsion would be visible, which it isn't the Westall case. Even today, nothing exists in our timeline which shows we can even get close to creating successful high and fast flying vehicles in the shape of saucers.
I don't equate the unknown automatically with aliens, however, the possibility does remain evident because our history has something to say about these objects that have been showing in our skies, for god knows how long. However, it's likely the explanations you provided do not fit the bill and I think, any reasonable person would realize this. I hope you are a reasonable person. Only reasonable people can draw reasonable conclusions about events.
To say it was a police or rescue helicopter, just for instance, is ridiculous in the face of the testimony which appears to be completely consistent with each other. A reasonable person knows how to eliminate what is feasible and what is not.
It's basically the timeline or evolution of human technology. It's unclear what speed the object travelled at, but it was reported to move, fast and unlike anything anyone had seen. This was in 1966.
Even before this in 1952 in Washington, several objects penetrated the air space right over the White House. Obviously this caused national alarm and the Military ended up sending... their very best in aviation capabilities after the object. The interception of the objects failed. It was noted by officials working in the Military that the UFO's displayed an intelligent control for they seem to have evaded air craft at all costs. To do this, it was reported the objects moved at incredible speeds, like nothing known by any modern of the day vehicle. In 1952, it's hard to imagine anything of such a speed.
The technological timeline of Westall doesn't add up either: The reason why is because we are dealing with a saucer - undeniably a saucer since that is what everyone reported.
What is the problem with this? Well, it might not mean anything to you, but you can ask any aviation expert you like. You can't really have saucers that successfully get into the air. We know this is true because in 1947 the Military set up an initially, top secret project to create a successful flying saucer. They failed... actually quite miserably. The saucer barely got off the ground.
This is still true today. Yes we can slimline certain vehicles which look a bit more like saucers, but generally a full saucer shape isn't aerodynamically feasible... at least with the methods used and a rocket propulsion would be visible, which it isn't the Westall case. Even today, nothing exists in our timeline which shows we can even get close to creating successful high and fast flying vehicles in the shape of saucers.
I don't equate the unknown automatically with aliens, however, the possibility does remain evident because our history has something to say about these objects that have been showing in our skies, for god knows how long. However, it's likely the explanations you provided do not fit the bill and I think, any reasonable person would realize this. I hope you are a reasonable person. Only reasonable people can draw reasonable conclusions about events.
To say it was a police or rescue helicopter, just for instance, is ridiculous in the face of the testimony which appears to be completely consistent with each other. A reasonable person knows how to eliminate what is feasible and what is not.
Right - but it did get off the ground, thus proving that manmade "flying saucers" can fly. In addition there were several programs involved in developing much more complex and ambitious flying vehicles that looked a lot like saucers. We don't know whether any of them succeeded, since even the documentation was secret until very recently.
Not so hard to imagine. The X-planes program was going on at that time, and top speeds were climbing rapidly. It would have been easy to field an experimental aircraft that could out-fly "the very best in military aviation capabilities." The military were testing several different aircraft designs, and several 'skunkworks' were operating independently at the time - often without knowledge of each other. The Cold War was ramping up, and money for military aircraft and missiles was flowing at an unprecedented rate.
Does that mean those sightings WERE advanced aircraft? No way to know. MIGHT they have been advanced aircraft? Definitely.
Did it look like this?
Or like this?
??? Of course you can; we've demonstrated it half a dozen times. They're just not very efficient so they were never pursued.
There is no technical problem with aerodynamics. It's easy to design a ducted fan saucer that flies; you can buy toys off the shelf that do this. As I said, it's just not very efficient.
?? Why? H2/LOX rocket exhaust is clear steam, and jet exhaust is just CO2 and water vapor. They can generate contrails but during operation are often invisible.
Sure, it's possible. It is just very, very unlikely.
Agreed. Which do you think is more reasonable?
1) An object seen in flight is an airplane that the person did not expect to see there
2) An object seen in flight is an alien spaceship
Barring extraordinary evidence, 1) always wins the "reasonable" test.
Why?
Agreed! And a police helicopter patrolling the south shore of Long Island is feasible; an alien spaceship is . . . less so.
Yep my mentality is believing things that are feasible and have supporting evidence.
Because I don't engage in magical thinking? Are you kidding?
It is tough to realize that you have no leg to stand on isn't it. Your childish beliefs are all just smoke and mirrors, no substance at all. There is nothing there and deep down you must know that you are living in a silly fantasy world and when it is pointed out to you it makes you mad. Well don't get mad, just put down the bong and grow up a little.
comical.
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Are you telling us that you are a boring person? Do you go to movies and mutter under your breath: I don't believe this, I don't believe that. Do women yawn in your face?:yawn:
Actually, a flying saucer that can travel interplanetarily has to be able to generate artificial gravity fields. It has to be able to curve space-time by means other than mass-energy. Ideally, it has to be able unplug itself from the space-time continuum, and travel through some kind of hyper-space.
I think this is the problem. This is where your critical thinking becomes to lose some of it's logic, we were doing so well.
You have to apply the logic correctly... You seem to agree that helicopters are an unlikely explanation because I pointed out, due to witness testimony we know that the sightings have next to no connection with any modern day craft. This rules out immediately an aircraft like a helicopter. But then the problem is, you by default always find the helicopter the feasible explanation even in the face of conflicting evidence.
To be honest this way of logic, is unscientific.