The Show Your Paintings/Drawings/Images Thread

exchemist said:
I see that’s near Glossop, a name familiar to me from the drive to Scotland from my friends’ house near Bakewell in the Peak District. I often break the journey there and stay with them.
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Yeah, that way is all very beautiful. I have friends from that way and I used to fell run in the peaks and Macclesfield with a few of them in the 1990s and 2000s when I was working there.
I am attempting to walk to Werneth Low today but the heat will defeat me I think.
If I can get halfway up the main road from Gee Cross I will get a clear view of Manchester, we have a modest sky line now.
 
exchemist said:
What of?
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I am trying to show what social class looks like. Usually depicted as a pyramid with the wealthiest at the top. In my formulation the wealthy are at the bottom, next to a giant reservoir, and all of the streams in society are routed to drain into their basin. The network at the top right is AI, almost as big as the rest of the economy, about to connect with the wealthiest to enlarge their reservoir by many times. That is what social hierarchy looks like to me right now.
 
Changeling said:
In my formulation the wealthy are at the bottom, next to a giant reservoir, and all of the streams in society are routed to drain into their basin.
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The flaw in that analogy is that it implies the money naturally slips through the hands of the poor and only ends up at the bottom IFF the poor can't stop it. As if its their fault for not seizing it as it goes by.

The better analogy is that the wealthy are at the top, ACTIVELY holding on to the money, and it never has a chance to get to the poor.

If natural forces were left to their devices, the money might flow downward - were it not for the artifical actions of the wealthy preventing it from doing so.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The flaw in that analogy is that it implies the money naturally slips through the hands of the poor and only ends up at the bottom IFF the poor can't stop it. As if its their fault for not seizing it as it goes by.

The better analogy is that the wealthy are at the top, ACTIVELY holding on to the money, and it never has a chance to get to the poor.

If natural forces were left to their devices, the money might flow downward - were it not for the artifical actions of the wealthy preventing it from doing so.
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The actions of the wealthy are what deepen the slopes.

What do you consider "natural forces"?
 
Changeling said:
The actions of the wealthy are what deepen the slopes.
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But it still falls past the poor. If only they reached out for it.

Changeling said:
What do you consider "natural forces"?
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In the analogy, it's gravity, causing stuff to fall down naturally.
In the economy, it's money that keeps circulating through everyone, rich and poor alike.

In a healthy economy, money would rain down from above, enriching wealthy and poor alike, but the wealthy hang on to the money, preventing it from flowing downhill, as it should.

I don't see any analogy to money flowing through/past the poor before it reaches the wealthy.
 
DaveC426913 said:
But it still falls past the poor. If only they reached out for it.


In the analogy, it's gravity, causing stuff to fall down naturally.
In the economy, it's money that keeps circulating through everyone, rich and poor alike.

In a healthy economy, money would rain down from above, enriching wealthy and poor alike, but the wealthy hang on to the money, preventing it from flowing downhill, as it should.

I don't see any analogy to money flowing through/past the poor before it reaches the wealthy.
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Hi DaveC, thanks so much for speaking with me.


But it still falls past the poor. If only they reached out for it.

If only they were not being fully extracted. It's pay or die.


In a healthy economy, money would rain down from above, enriching wealthy and poor alike, but the wealthy hang on to the money, preventing it from flowing downhill, as it should.

From where "above"?

I don't know that there has ever been an economy like the one you describe. Extraction has been the rule since the advent of grain agriculture.
 
Changeling said:
If only they were not being fully extracted. It's pay or die.
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But they are not being extracted.
And it's not pay or die.

Because, in both cases, the money never reaches them. Low wages, high withholding in the form of taxes and denial of basic needs means that the money and services never reach them in the first place.

What you are suggesting is that money flows through/past the poor like a great rainfall that they can catch in buckets but must then pass on (downward) to the wealthy (i.e. pay or die).

And what I'm saying is: the poor never have access to that money/rainfall at all. It simply never gets to them. They can't pay because they have dried-up jobs that pay virtually nothing.

The vast bulk of wealth never leaves the wealthy in the first place. It certainly doesn't flow past the poor in its way to the wealthy, as in your model.
 
Reminds me of a Will Rogers quote:

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Grain elevator/silo complexes on the Buffalo River.
At left, the defunct Lake & rail Elevator. At center(ish), a bit of the American Elevator Complex can be seen - also defunct. At right, the ADM Buffalo Elevator (Aslo called the Standard Elevator) - still in service.
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DaveC426913 said:
But they are not being extracted.
And it's not pay or die.

Because, in both cases, the money never reaches them. Low wages, high withholding in the form of taxes and denial of basic needs means that the money and services never reach them in the first place.

What you are suggesting is that money flows through/past the poor like a great rainfall that they can catch in buckets but must then pass on (downward) to the wealthy (i.e. pay or die).

And what I'm saying is: the poor never have access to that money/rainfall at all. It simply never gets to them. They can't pay because they have dried-up jobs that pay virtually nothing.

The vast bulk of wealth never leaves the wealthy in the first place. It certainly doesn't flow past the poor in its way to the wealthy, as in your model.
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They can't pay because they have dried-up jobs that pay virtually nothing.

That is the definition of extraction. Their labor is being extracted, along with rents.

The vast bulk of wealth never leaves the wealthy in the first place. It certainly doesn't flow past the poor in its way to the wealthy, as in your model.

That is exactly what the drawing was a picture of. Wealth pools in the hands of the wealthy and stays there. They can pump a little of it back up the slope to pay to a worker, but it just rolls right back down again.

However, since you prefer the top-down model, here's another.

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Follow the link to see a clip of the telescope camera set up, and see the actual moving jump from the microlight.
The scene sounds like something straight out of an action thriller: a skydiver drops out of an aircraft, their dark silhouette plummeting across the surface of a giant, fiery star.
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