The role of personality in history.

"do the elites form the preferences that the masses desire and set the direction of movement?"

That is what I was referring to.
 
ольга said:
Тогда встречный вопрос: вы считаете, что это массы диктуют элитам свою волю, или элиты формируют у масс желательные для них предпочтения, и задают направление движения?
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The "elites" used the perceived will of the masses to manipulate them.
 
Well you have wrote "do the elites form the preferences that the masses desire and set the direction of movement?"

I think the elites(if they exist) don't care about our desires, what do you think?
 
davewhite04 said:
Well you have wrote "do the elites form the preferences that the masses desire and set the direction of movement?"

I think the elites(if they exist) don't care about our desires, what do you think?
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Людям вообще нет дела до желаний других, если только это не те люди, которых они любят. Но тут речь о другом: людьми постоянно манипулируют, заставляя их думать, что им нужно то, или иное.
 
WOW it seems the penny has Now dropped for DaveW04.
My bold in both quotes below.
davewhite04 said:
Wait until trump pisses off and we will get peace, world peace. If not, the Christian end times already happened and failed.
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davewhite04 said:
A show of military prowess is essential if you're a dictatorship country, such as the USA currently.
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last year when Trump was runnig for his second presidency, there was DaveW tooting for Trump.

All quotes below are of DaveW04 Follow links below quotes.

April 2024
“I think he is a great speaker and an excellent problem solver.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com

2024
“Just leftists(the bad guys) setting him up, they hate him and what he stands for. You want the woke movement and the corrupt blm vote Biden.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com

2024
“When your such an affluent man like Donald J Trump, you get a lot of haters, basically jealousy.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com

2024
“he's a character something that is as rare as hens teeth in politics in the USA/UK.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com
 
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foghorn said:
WOW it seems the penny has Now dropped for DaveW04.
My bold in both quotes below.





last year when Trump was runnig for his second presidency, there was DaveW tooting for Trump.

All quotes below are of DaveW04 Follow links below quotes.

April 2024
“I think he is a great speaker and an excellent problem solver.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com

2024
“Just leftists(the bad guys) setting him up, they hate him and what he stands for. You want the woke movement and the corrupt blm vote Biden.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com

2024
“When your such an affluent man like Donald J Trump, you get a lot of haters, basically jealousy.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com

2024
“he's a character something that is as rare as hens teeth in politics in the USA/UK.”

Religion, State, and the New Christian Spirit

What is your definition of sin? Footsteps, as Tiassa runs away... Y'know, for someone who pretends such ignorance¹, maybe that's not the smartest tone to strike. So, compared to a prospect of hypocrisy↗, you would prefer a general survey of sin? Let's just be clear, here: Faced with the...
www.sciforums.com www.sciforums.com
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I was for him. For the past 6 months or so I done a U-Turn.
 
davewhite04 said:
I was for him. For the past 6 months or so I done a U-Turn.
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Reasonable, rational people who know Trump have been throwing up red flags since he came down the escalator in 2015. And, the first thing he does is throw hatred at Mexico, all lies of course. Since then, these same reasonable rational people have continued their warnings, yet to no avail. When I read your posts in those threads, I was deeply disappointed of how much a maga fanboy you'd become, a real cult member.

While it's great you've done a 180 degree turn, it's kind of too little too late. Plenty of stories have surfaced of maga folks who are finally seeing the light too late themselves as their businesses and lives are ruined by Trumps insane policies.

But, I would hope from this that you'll possibly see your way to listening to those reasonable rational people a little more often in the future. Cheers.
 
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But, I would hope from this that you'll possibly see your way to listening to those reasonable rational people a little more often in the future. Cheers.
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I don't think any of trumps opponents were rational.

I was never MAGA, I'm not Ameican.

Too little to late? I didn't vote
 
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Thanks exchemist, let's see what damning evidence the P.I. of the year, foghorn, can come up with next.
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No hard feelings DaveW, I hope.
Q said something I agree with concerting you.
Q said "But, I would hope from this that you'll possibly see your way to listening to those reasonable rational people a little more often in the future. Cheers."
 
foghorn said:
said "But, I would hope from this that you'll possibly see your way to listening to those reasonable rational people a little more often in the future. Cheers."
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Looks like he did that and/or figured stuff out on his own.
Good on him.
 
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No hard feelings DaveW, I hope.
Q said something I agree with concerting you.
Q said "But, I would hope from this that you'll possibly see your way to listening to those reasonable rational people a little more often in the future. Cheers."
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I do entertain some nonsense, but I usually end up okay once I've figured out the rubbish.
 
davewhite04 said:
I do entertain some nonsense, but I usually end up okay once I've figured out the rubbish.
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Hey, I thought Elon Musk was great, great for science and innovation, great for space exploration, great for NASA in terms of collaboration, great!

There were the haters and some people even accused him of being like a Nazi! How dare they! Just because he is rich and successful? Do they not realise how far he has advanced rocket technology? Clean vehicle technology? He will change the world for the better!!

Then he moved from launches to lunacy so I changed my mind, rather rapidly.
 
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Not sure if you're actually interested in facts that show well beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trumps opponents were indeed rational.

FACT SHEET: The Biden-Harris Administration Record | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu
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You should know if you're an American.

From my glimpses of a speech by Biden or Harris, Biden needed to retire and Harris would of been more prepared for the debates etc. Now we'd take Biden back in a heart beat, even Bernie Sanders!
 
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