The reason we don't meet aliens

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Syzygys

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A newish argument about why we haven't encountered other intelligent civilizations:

"But all worlds collide. And now Tim O'Reilly, writing in his online column, joins the ranks of those worried about the challenges of climate change and peak oil. But he throws a great new angle into the mix -- the Fermi Paradox.

The Fermi Paradox is an attempt to wrestle with the question of why we haven't yet encountered any evidence of alien civilizations. Wikipedia defines the paradox as follows:

The size and age of the universe suggest that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist. However, this hypothesis seems inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it.

Such evidence might include radio signals, UFO sightings, or pointy ears. But so far, we got nuthin'.

O'Reilly then references a piece by Nick Bostrom in the current Technology Review, "Where Are They? Why I hope the search for extraterrestrial life finds nothing," which gloomily suggests that one reason why we haven't ever met any other advanced extraterrestrial civilizations is because all such civilizations run into some unsurvivable disaster that dooms the development of space travel as part of the normal evolutionary cycle. Examples cited by Bostrom include nuclear war, nanotechnology run-amok gray goo, germ warfare, or an asteroid strike.

To which list of joyful future scenarios, O'Reilly adds "diminished access to readily available natural resources after a crash of civilization."

In other words, we haven't encountered alien space-faring civilizations because all such alien races that developed the technological capacity for space-flight smacked head on into peak oil and then reverted back to barbarism, or some other form of pre-Industrial Revolution social arrangement."

So in short, it is possible that the high technological part of any civilization is just to short to make it to other stars and intelligent lifes. For humans it can be less than 200 years, which is nothing compared to the age of universe....
 
Then again aliens might not want anything to do with humans seeing the way they treat each other, animals and their environment. Think about it. Looking across humanities "evoloution" what has been accomplished between the ethnic groups, care for the planet and the animals that live on it.:shrug:
 
Well, let's see we discover a new animal. Do you think we would let it alone just because we don't agree with the way it behaves? I don't think there are so many alien encounters that they can efford to be picky about it..
 
I doubt this guy's explanation. I could see it destroying a few civilizations, but it seems unlikely that it would get all of them, or even most. Personally, I think the idea of paranoid, predatory civilizations that hide themselves and destroy any other civilization that they come across seems more likely.

Every time a new civilization pops up in the neighborhood, just throw a chunk of quartz at their planet at near the speed of light and the problem is over. Heck, maybe that's how humans will turn out in a thousand years. It’s not hard to imagine us getting vicious and crazy about that sort of thing.
 
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Or it could be that the universe is really big and we lack the capability to find them.

^ This, and that life on some planets don´t even get past the stage of self awareness.
Look at the dinosaurs. They remained "animals" for a very long time. It was only after the "viva the small ones" that we could finally be able to spring to life.

Also the fact that the time it takes radio waves and even the reflection of earth to reach other solar systems takes huge amount of time.

The only possible way I say we could actually meet/interact with an alien is if we found ways to communicate that far exceeds the speed of light. As our life time is limited I also think that these aliens (if any) have come up with a way to live very long.
 
whats the assumption here?
is it that all reports of ufo's sighted here on earth are bogus?

secondly
where have we been? other galaxies or just our solar system?
what are seti's search parameters? how much have they covered? a fraction or most?

fermi jumps the gun
what a tard
 
The assumption was that the timeframe of intelligent life when a spieces can reach out to the stars is very short, like 200 years. Humans are in their 100+ years now, counting from the invention of radio...

So 2 spieces can live relative close to each other in the same galaxy, but if they reach their technological peaks at different times ( and chances are they would) the encounter is not going to happen....
 
The assumption was that the timeframe of intelligent life when a spieces can reach out to the stars is very short, like 200 years. Humans are in their 100+ years now, counting from the invention of radio...

alright
what are the justifications?
 
That the "intelligent" life will destroy itself soon after it reached the technical ability to get noticed...
 
Who says there is no evidence of higher level civilizations? There is evidence, a lot of great UFO sitings. There is a lot of evidence to support the existence of higher level civilations. The issue is if we are willing to recognize it as such. In order to be a disbeliver, a so called skeptic, you have to ignore a lot of evidence. So there is plenty of evidence to support the existence of higher level civilizations, it it just that we choose not to accept it.
The question is or should be why do they not directly communicate with us? My guess is that they do not want to impede our development as a species...we are too young and too immature.
 
pfft
your turn then
justify the doom and gloom
illustrate how the cons of modern civ outweigh the pros

not a saying I agree with the assertion - with a few exceptions and the odd blip here and there it seems that we are heading towards becoming more civilised towards each other in the last 100 years - we certainly have the capability to do it though.

I think it more likely that while life may be relatively commonplace on other worlds, the kind of intelligence required for a technological society is vanishingly rare - afterall in a few hundred million years and a few billion species - and thanks to a "lucky" accidental asteroid strike - it has only arisen once here
 
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we are too young and too immature.


oh?
what would constitute adult and mature?
development in general or specifics? tech is obviously lacking tho a work in progress but philosophies? storytelling?

who the fuck do they think they are
better toys maketh not an alien

fuck
this goddamn impulse to worship sky daddies pisses me goddamn off!
 
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