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foghorn said:
Why do you mention something about logic when you ignore the " celestial body between" part of my question?
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I didn't ignore it; i spelled it out, including my dead-ends.

Again: did you stop reading half way through?

You knew the context of your question; you knew it was not only off-Earth, but past the Moon.

I had to get there by ruling out other (historically earlier) possibilities.

For all I knew, you were thinking of Sir Edmund Hillary, lying in a hollow at the top of Everest. Technically, the entirety of the human race is eclipsed by Earth.

Why bother posing a riddle, if you don't want people to riddle it out?
 
foghorn said:
If you're standing on the earth, the earth is not celestial to you, ?
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Thats an interpretation on your part.

The Earth does qualify as a celestial body.

It's well within the fuzzy edges of a riddle.

The point is for you as the riddle poser to be graceful about out-of-the-box answers, not to mock those who try.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Thats an interpretation on your part.
The Earth does qualify as a celestial body.
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That's if looked at from another place, Moon or Mars say.
The Earth is in space, but not seen in its own celestial sky.

If you were to walk along the Earth's equator, would you be walking a long the Earth's celestial equator. No, because the Earth's celestial equator is in the Earth's sky.
The same again for standing on the Earth's North pole, would you be standing on the Earth's celestial North pole?
 
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foghorn said:
That's if looked at from another place, Moon or Mars say.
The Earth is in space, but not seen in its own celestial sky.

If you were to walk along the Earth's equator, would you be walking a long the Earth's celestial equator. No, because the Earth's celestial equator is in the Earth's sky.
The same again for standing on the Earth's North pole, would you be standing on the Earth's celestial North pole?
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I hope this discussion is serving to entertain, rather than argue. I don't want to bore you.

Here is a definition (from Google) that contradicts your interpretation:

Definition of a celestial body: any natural entity, structure, or object existing in the observable universe (e.g., planets, moons, stars, asteroids, comets).
Is earth a celestial body?
Yes, Earth is a celestial body. It is classified specifically as a planet, which is defined as a natural, non-luminous, sphere-shaped body that orbits a star.

This isn't about me being nitpicky. This is about you posing a riddle and allowing with a open-ended solution that's up to us to find a solution to. Readers aren't obliged to limit themselves to your interpretations (unless you state them in the riddle).

Despite that, ultimately, I ended up in the same place anyway. (I just got there the long way around.)
 
Working on moving to a different country is a huge pain in the ass. Wish it was simple like moving to a new apartment.
 
Depends on your trajectory - pensioner, digital nomad, skilled worker, or financially independent (some places let you in if you've got large savings). And where you feel comfortable - language proficiencies, climate preferences, pace of life, etc. I've thought about it, but the spouse is deeply rooted and we're probably staying and fighting the good fight for something approximating democracy and sustainability. One of my kids is thinking about Ireland, but he has a skill set they're looking for there. Last I checked, the lowest hurdles are places like Spain or Mexico. But if you have a particular skill, there are some countries that may be experiencing a shortage in that area and they'll have special programs to entice skilled immigrants. Do you have a specific destination, or do you just want out of Trumpamerica?
 
DaveC426913 said:
Here is a definition (from Google) that contradicts your interpretation:
Definition of a celestial body: any natural entity, structure, or object existing in the observable universe (e.g., planets, moons, stars, asteroids, comets).
Is earth a celestial body?
Yes, Earth is a celestial body. It is classified specifically as a planet, which is defined as a natural, non-luminous, sphere-shaped body that orbits a star.

This isn't about me being nitpicky. This is about you posing a riddle and allowing with a open-ended solution that's up to us to find a solution to. Readers aren't obliged to limit themselves to your interpretations (unless you state them in the riddle).

Despite that, ultimately, I ended up in the same place anyway. (I just got there the long way around.)
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I’m ‘arguing’ that Earth’s equator and mountains (your Hillary thing) are terrestrial.
Earth cannot be seen in its own celestial sky, yet Earth is celestial when seen from any point other than Earth.
The other part is… Anyone can be above Earth looking down, but how certain are they, that there are no people within their field of view, and where is the 'celestial body’ blocking their view.
This is why I picked John Young who was behind the Moon.
foghorn said:
Which lone person in history was the first to have a celestial body between themself and the rest of humanity? No prizes.
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TheVat said:
Depends on your trajectory - pensioner, digital nomad, skilled worker, or financially independent (some places let you in if you've got large savings). And where you feel comfortable - language proficiencies, climate preferences, pace of life, etc. I've thought about it, but the spouse is deeply rooted and we're probably staying and fighting the good fight for something approximating democracy and sustainability. One of my kids is thinking about Ireland, but he has a skill set they're looking for there. Last I checked, the lowest hurdles are places like Spain or Mexico. But if you have a particular skill, there are some countries that may be experiencing a shortage in that area and they'll have special programs to entice skilled immigrants. Do you have a specific destination, or do you just want out of Trumpamerica?
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Don't try Greenland, though. :cool:
 
foghorn said:
I’m ‘arguing’ that Earth’s equator and mountains (your Hillary thing) are terrestrial.
Earth cannot be seen in its own celestial sky, yet Earth is celestial when seen from any point other than Earth.
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You presented a riddle. It is self-contained. What you argue on your own time is outside the scope of the riddle.

The riddle asks about a celestial body. Earth is a celestial body.

foghorn said:
The other part is… Anyone can be above Earth looking down, but how certain are they, that there are no people within their field of view
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Exactly. Which is why I had to examine it as a possibility. Ultimately, I ruled it out.

foghorn said:
, and where is the 'celestial body’ blocking their view.
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Which it would do if Edmund Hillary were in a depression on Mount Everest.


foghorn said:
This is why I picked John Young who was behind the Moon.
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Yes. Ultimately, I arrived at the same location - behind the Moon (though Michael Collins was not the first).

I am not disagreeing with you. And I am not saying there are multiple answers. All you are objecting to is my thought process, spoken out loud, that lead to the final answer. That's it. I'm not sure why that rankles you.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Earth is a celestial body.
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The word "celestial" is an adjective, meaning "of or related to the sky".

Is it really worth playing word games about whether Earth is a "celestial" body?

Historically, "celestial bodies" have traditionally been things like stars and planets (not counting angels and heaven and other fictional things that have been supposed to exist in the sky).
 
James R said:
The word "celestial" is an adjective, meaning "of or related to the sky".

Is it really worth playing word games about whether Earth is a "celestial" body?

Historically, "celestial bodies" have traditionally been things like stars and planets (not counting angels and heaven and other fictional things that have been supposed to exist in the sky).
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Well I did look it up:

Definition of a celestial body: any natural entity, structure, or object existing in the observable universe (e.g., planets, moons, stars, asteroids, comets).
Is earth a celestial body?
Yes, Earth is a celestial body. It is classified specifically as a planet, which is defined as a natural, non-luminous, sphere-shaped body that orbits a star.


Be that as it may: I still got to the same place as foghorn: the Moon.

What he's complaining about is my thought process for eliminating possibilities for solutions. He doesn't get to append - after he's posed the riddle - more qualifiers and say "No, you're thinking wrong. Think the same way I did".

It's foghorn who has been persnickety - over 20 posts now. And he's the one who said "I nearly fell asleep reading all that".
 
DaveC426913 said:
Which it would do if Edmund Hillary were in a depression on Mount Everest.
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My bold above
If you don't know for certain that Hillary was in a depression in your terrestrial celestial Himalayas, then why mention it?
By your logic, anyone alone in a terrestrial cave is really in a celestial cave.
 
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foghorn said:
My bold above
If you don't know for certain that Hillary was in a depression in your terrestrial celestial Himalayas, then why mention it?
By your logic, anyone alone in a terrestrial cave is really in a celestial cave.
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Because it's a riddle. They're supposed to be non-intuitive and tricky! I was working out what possible interpretations could come from the riddle. For all I knew, the whole trick hinged on a unintuitive use of the term "celestial body".

The Moon is the obvious choice. It might be too easy. I was working out how clever you were trying to be.

For cryin' out loud does no one know how riddles work?
 
It's likely that I haven't followed this matter of debate closely enough. I don't want to risk hitting any more nerves, so I'll bow out of the whole "celestial" question at this point. Please feel free to ignore my post on the matter.
 
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