The Plutocratic States of America

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Encephaloid Martini
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King Elon has shut down the government with the aide of the Duke of Donald, christening the beginning of the age of Plutocracy in America. Millionaire and billionaire donors all over the country are bending the knee because they know the flood gates will soon open and they will take as much as they can from you. Trump wants the debt ceiling raised now before he takes power and then soon after will give those wealthy donors massive tax breaks. And after they have feasted at the trough of the American voters tax dollars, they'll slash Medicare, Social Security and a host of other programs. The economy will be in ruins and they all will have enriched themselves such that King Elon will soon fast track his way to becoming the first Trillionaire, who will tell all of us how to live and what to do.
 
Well, shutdown averted. And no removal/suspension of the debt ceiling. Baltimore won't get federal funds to rebuild it's bridge, though.
But, importantly, Musk seemed pleased with the outcome, which is good. Although he likely would have been please with any bill that passed just so he could be seen to have been pulling the strings.
And Donald will have to wait until the next time round to try to remove the debt-ceiling, although given the number of his own party that didn't like that idea, it won't be straightforward.
After all, he campaigned on reducing the debt, and the first thing he tries to do, even before taking office, is removed the debt-ceiling so that he can spend spend spend (well, cut taxes for his billionaire friends, at least).

Fun times.
 
Well, shutdown averted. And no removal/suspension of the debt ceiling. Baltimore won't get federal funds to rebuild it's bridge, though.
But, importantly, Musk seemed pleased with the outcome, which is good. Although he likely would have been please with any bill that passed just so he could be seen to have been pulling the strings.
And Donald will have to wait until the next time round to try to remove the debt-ceiling, although given the number of his own party that didn't like that idea, it won't be straightforward.
After all, he campaigned on reducing the debt, and the first thing he tries to do, even before taking office, is removed the debt-ceiling so that he can spend spend spend (well, cut taxes for his billionaire friends, at least).

Fun times.
I was amused to read that Capitol Hill is awash with ironic references to "President Musk".

But yeah, what Yanis Verrucaface calls "techno-feudalism" seems to be on its way in the USA.
 
I was amused to read that Capitol Hill is awash with ironic references to "President Musk".
But yeah, what Yanis Verrucaface calls "techno-feudalism" seems to be on its way in the USA.
How many countries does puppeteer Elon want?
Reform UK?
Reform UK is in "open negotiations" with US billionaire Elon Musk about him donating to the party, Nigel Farage has told the BBC.
The Reform UK leader said the pair "did talk about money" during a meeting on Monday at Donald Trump's Florida retreat….
…."He wants to help us, he's not opposed to the idea of giving us money, provided we can do it legally through UK companies," he (Farage) added.
 
In the new era, you can't spell RUSSIA without USA.
 
How many countries does puppeteer Elon want?
Reform UK?

Yes, my view is the UK government should get on and quickly pass legislation to stop unlimited foreign funds being given to UK political parties. I don't buy the argument that Reform will cry "foul". Of course they will, but so what? It is manifestly antidemocratic to have the UK party bankrolled by a US/S African plutocrat with obvious political motives. I think the UK electorate will understand that perfectly well and all the main political parties would support the measure.
 
Yes, my view is the UK government should get on and quickly pass legislation to stop unlimited foreign funds being given to UK political parties. I don't buy the argument that Reform will cry "foul". Of course they will, but so what? It is manifestly antidemocratic to have the UK party bankrolled by a US/S African plutocrat with obvious political motives. I think the UK electorate will understand that perfectly well and all the main political parties would support the measure.
Have they no intention of going ahead -just using this threat to cause waves?

I was surprised that it seems legal now. Apparently it can't be done in Germany.
"Lord Haw Haw" feels even more appropriate now.

Suppose they did go ahead and weren't stopped is the destruction of the Tory party the most they could hope for?

Can Trump act as the sidekick and attack the UK with heavy tariffs to damage the government?
 
Have they no intention of going ahead -just using this threat to cause waves?
Labour did have in their manifesto an intention/promise to protect democracy through tightening up the rules around donations, but the suggestions being touted wouldn't stop Musk being able to donate close to £100m. E.g. UK companies can only donate a max up to their profits of the last 2 years - which would stop UK shell companies being set up simply to donate money.
Interestingly, over 50% of the population would be in favour of implementing a cap on donations, and almost 20% think there already is one (there isn't).
To put the touted £100m into perspective, that would be more than the total donations to all parties in any single year.
Suppose they did go ahead and weren't stopped is the destruction of the Tory party the most they could hope for?
In terms of vote-share, yes, most likely this would be the main outcome. Reform might become the main opposition in terms of vote-share, if enough Tories jump ship.
They might also steal the "protest votes" that currently go to Labour or Lib-Dems, but that would depend on the appeal of Farage, and how far right-wing the Reform UK set themselves up as.

But in terms of Parliament, it might really only serve to give Labour a higher majority on an even smaller share of the vote, as they split the Tory vote even more. So I could see many Labour MPs winning in previously Tory-held areas while winning just 30% of the vote, with Reform at 25%, Tories at 22%, Lib Dems 18%, others 5% etc. That's the joy of our FPTP system... huge majorities in Parliament from a minority of votes. :/
And it will increase calls for a change to the system to a Proportional Representation, which Labour, being the main beneficiary of the rise of Reform, will clearly refuse.

And then there's the question of whether Reform and Conservatives make any alliances so as not to split their vote - agreeing up front to join in coalition in the inevitable hung parliament. This is quite likely as well, although whether Farage's ego would allow him to if he's not to be PM in such a situation, who knows!

Can Trump act as the sidekick and attack the UK with heavy tariffs to damage the government?
Sure. But this would be seen as clear foreign interference in the UK election, at least if done for those purposes, and would greatly worsen UK/US relations - and likely EU/US relations as well. Afterall, if the US want to involve themself in UK elections, surely France would be next (the far-right are a bigger threat there than in the UK), and Germany (and he seems to be courting the AfD at the moment) , or Italy etc. I would envisage sweeping legislation to prevent such interference in all geographies if it got too obvious.

If the tariffs are part of wider levy on many/all other countries, e.g. EU as well, then they'd be brushed off as just Trump being Trump.
Also bear in mind that the next UK election should be in 2029, which is after Musk, and his sidekick Trump "peacefully" relinquish power. So if the next person has any sense, such tariffs should be removed by the time of the election.

But also we would simply react with our own tariffs on US goods, as we did last time (Jack Daniels, Levi's, Harley Davidson etc). It would damage both economies, us more than the US from this specific tit-for-tat, but other countries would undoubtedly be doing the same, thus impacting the world economy adversely. Not that Trump and his billionaires would care too much, as long as they get their tax-cut during all of this.


One must also look, with regard Musk, how he uses X to promote what he wants, and then also whether he can persuade other media companies to become the FOX of the UK - e.g. GB News - notwithstanding our watchdog's scrutiny.
 
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