The militarization of schools

[spidergoat]

Love makes hate. Love of your nation means separating yours from the world community. Love is violence.

 

[Oli]

Only do good?
Look at history for people who loved their nation over any other and caused endless grief.
My loyalty is to the world...

 

[Norsefire]

Only do good?
Look at history for people who loved their nation over any other and caused endless grief.
My loyalty is to the world...

That's nationalism, not patriotism; even nationalism isn't bad. To the nation, it's beneficial.


And so if we militarize schools, we can produce good citizens who are fiercely defensive and loyal to the state

 

[Oli]

That's nationalism, not patriotism; even nationalism isn't bad. To the nation, it's beneficial.

Apart from the odd war or two...

And so if we militarize schools, we can produce good citizens who are fiercely defensive and loyal to the state

And make sure that those with a criminal predilection or are sociopathic have military training before letting them loose on the streets.

Fiercely defensive?
I don't want to train anyone to be fierce.
Loyal to the state?
Politician's dream....

 

[Norsefire]

Apart from the odd war or two...

It can also be beneficial in giving will and unity to the people. You can't deny that.

And make sure that those with a criminal predilection or are sociopathic have military training before letting them loose on the streets.

Actually we can increase research on the minds of sociopaths so that we can euthanize them at birth and not take the risk

Yes fiercely defensive and loyal. That's order, and order mean stability, and stability is security, and security is peace, and peace is happiness.

 

[Oli]

It can also be beneficial in giving will and unity to the people. You can't deny that.

History showing that the "will and unity" is usually "lets wander over the border and have some their real estate".

Actually we can increase research on the minds of sociopaths so that we can euthanize them at birth and not take the risk

Oh yeah. Death is always a viable answer to society's problems...

Yes fiercely defensive and loyal. That's order, and order mean stability, and stability is security, and security is peace, and peace is happiness.

You're not George Orwell by any chance?
How about: order means rigidity, rigidity means means enforced conformity and enforced conformity means unhappiness and dissension (and lack of intiative and innovation).

 

[Norsefire]

History showing that the "will and unity" is usually "lets wander over the border and have some their real estate".

No, you're wrong

Oh yeah. Death is always a viable answer to society's problems...

Sociopaths would be a danger in their very being. Only death can solve such a problem as the "sociopath question"

You're not George Orwell by any chance?
How about: order means rigidity, rigidity means means enforced conformity and enforced conformity means unhappiness and dissension (and lack of intiative and innovation).

Never heard of George Orwell

Conformity is necessary, at some level, for a society to even function.

 

[Oli]

No, you're wrong

Facts?

Sociopaths would be a danger in their very being. Only death can solve such a problem as the "sociopath question"

Or maybe understanding why they're sociopaths and curing them...

Never heard of George Orwell

He wrote 1984 with Big Brother, the ultimate in state control of citizens: balck is white etc.

Conformity is necessary, at some level, for a society to even function.

At some level, yes. But as little as possible.

 

[Oniw17]

I think that militarisation of schools is potentially beneficial, but militarisation in the traditional sense is too much like brainwashing to expose children to it. And since I hate typing, I won't explain myself any furthur.

 

[Norsefire]

Facts?

No, you're wrong!

Or maybe understanding why they're sociopaths and curing them...

Have you read my "perfect solution to homosexuality" thread? You're suggesting exactly what I suggested, except to cure homosexuals. Off topic, but meh

He wrote 1984 with Big Brother, the ultimate in state control of citizens: balck is white etc.

Order is necessary

At some level, yes. But as little as possible.

As little as possible? A high level of conformity, if it is not forced, but rather, through culture and custom, is beneficial

I think that militarisation of schools is potentially beneficial, but militarisation in the traditional sense is too much like brainwashing to expose children to it. And since I hate typing, I won't explain myself any furthur.

Brainwashing? You mean creating perfect citizens.

 

[Oli]

No, you're wrong!

So that's your opinion?

Have you read my "perfect solution to homosexuality" thread? You're suggesting exactly what I suggested, except to cure homosexuals. Off topic, but meh

Cure homosexuals?
:shrug:
Psycopaths =! homosexuals.

Order is necessary
As little as possible? A high level of conformity, if it is not forced, but rather, through culture and custom, is beneficial

Culture and custom are methods of enforcement.
How high?

 

[Norsefire]

So that's your opinion?

No no you're wrong

If you haven't noticed, I'm saying that on purpose

Cure homosexuals?
Psycopaths =! homosexuals.

To some people, they might think "curing" psychopaths is tampering with who they are.:shrug:

Culture and custom are methods of enforcement.
How high?

So you're against culture and custom?

A level that the people have common ground. The netherlands is a perfect example of LOW conformity, since there is no common ground or society. It's just a bunch of people in one area, each out only for himself.

 

[Oli]

No no you're wrong
If you haven't noticed, I'm saying that on purpose

Pfft, what makes you think I take any notice of you at all?

To some people, they might think "curing" psychopaths is tampering with who they are.:shrug:

Psycopaths form an actual danger to people and society.

So you're against culture and custom?

I'm against culture and custom becoming a straight jacket for individuals.
I have little use for either myself.

A level that the people have common ground. The netherlands is a perfect example of LOW conformity, since there is no common ground or society. It's just a bunch of people in one area, each out only for himself.

Data?

 

[Oniw17]

Brainwashing? You mean creating perfect citizens.

That all depends on your definition of perfection. Dissent sometimes leads to progress, so staunch indivualism is beneficial to society. Have you ever read about Europe durring the time of the inquisition?

 

[Oli]

Dissent sometimes leads to progress, so staunch indivualism is beneficial to society.

George Bernard Shaw (IIRC):
A reasonable man accepts things as they are, an unreasonable man does not and seeks to change them. Therefore all progress is the work of unreasonable men.

 

[Norsefire]

Psycopaths form an actual danger to people and society.

Some think homosexuals are an actual danger, or at least, are immoral

I'm against culture and custom becoming a straight jacket for individuals.
I have little use for either myself.

Without culture or custom the world would be boring.

Data?

It's obvious. A bunch of drug using, prostitution, uncultured people

That all depends on your definition of perfection. Dissent sometimes leads to progress, so staunch indivualism is beneficial to society. Have you ever read about Europe durring the time of the inquisition?

You need some level of conformity, and no I have not, unfortunately.

 

[Oli]

Some think homosexuals are an actual danger, or at least, are immoral

Some "normal" people are also.

Without culture or custom the world would be boring.

As opposed to living in any given culture... that becomes boring also.

It's obvious. A bunch of drug using, prostitution, uncultured people

Oh yes. Every single one of them...
Generalising again. Tsk.

 

[Oniw17]

George Bernard Shaw (IIRC):
A reasonable man accepts things as they are, an unreasonable man does not and seeks to change them. Therefore all progress is the work of unreasonable men.

That makes sense.

You need some level of conformity, and no I have not, unfortunately.

You're right, you need some level of conformity so that there isn't chaos, but tou also need some level of dissent so that there isn't oppression or stagnation.

 

[Norsefire]

Some "normal" people are also.

Well sure, but again, you think you have the right to use medicine to alter sociopaths?

As opposed to living in any given culture... that becomes boring also.

Hardly. Culture and custom is what brings people together; without it, I couldnt' call my fellow countrymen my fellow countrymen.

Oh yes. Every single one of them...
Generalising again. Tsk.

Most of them. The Netherlands is the last nation I'd ever live in. A bunch of lib'rals.

You're right, you need some level of conformity so that there isn't chaos, but tou also need some level of dissent so that there isn't oppression or stagnation.

Of course.

 

[Oli]

Well sure, but again, you think you have the right to use medicine to alter sociopaths?

As opposed to killing them (maybe at birth)?

Hardly.

So we all follow the same script day after day year after year because it's "culture and custom"?

Most of them. The Netherlands is the last nation I'd ever live in. A bunch of lib'rals.

FYI "liberal" is not exactly synonymous with "someone better off dead"