The Last Message of U. G. Krishnamurti

Lucysnow said:
"The path has to be yours. I don't want to use the term `path', because it has mystical [overtones] .... "My" path, Ramakrishna's path, Jesus's path, or the Buddha's path -- they are all worthless.
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Again, how would he know these paths are worthless...being too lazy to tread them?
 
Lucysnow said:
What frightens you most about UG is that he brings this to your attention and then you may think that there is no such experience at all because the truth is that you 'seek' it from 'others'.
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What he brings to my attention is that he spent a lot of time in his youth hanging out with the theosophical society...not exactly a worthwhile engagement of any path.
 
Carcano said:
What he brings to my attention is that he spent a lot of time in his youth hanging out with the theosophical society...not exactly a worthwhile engagement of any path.
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No Carcano that is part of his bio not what he has to say. He spent some time in the theosophical society and then left it so what. I spent time at Sivananda it doesn't make me a yogi. Look at the excerpts and tell me what you think of what he had to say. I can tell you didn't really read it or you would have understood he wasn't touting a 'path'. You don't want to respond to what he says but I understand. You would rather put your hands over your eyes and ears and speak nonsense.
 
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It's not a contest. If you don't like him, read something else. I like him, and he still influences me to read something else. You only have to read one paragraph and it makes you put the book down. I've never read anything so powerful. The secret is that true human happiness resides in the peace of not seeking permanent happiness.
 
spidergoat said:
Nihilism is the natural state of things.
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What's the contradiction? Just because nothing has any inherent meaning, doesn't mean that we can't enjoy things.
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Nihilism is not just that nothing has inherant meaning. It is that nothing has inherant meaning therefore no action is preferable to any other, which is patently false.

Preference is not reliant on inherant meaning.

Buddhism for example also holds that nothing has inherant meaning but it comes to the opposite conclusion from nihilism. Certain actions are definately preferable to others (moral and compassionate actions for example).
 
Signal said:
Sure. This then requires a lot of work, too.
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So? What's wrong with that?

Especially work on creating what is in effect just a different set of myths, lies, hoaxes and magical thinking.
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You fail to understand grasshopper.

Did he make recourse to another ruler of the Universe and everything in it?
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There is no ruler.

then he was proposing nihilism and/or chaotism.
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No, but you sure wish he was, don't you?
 
swarm said:
Nihilism is not just that nothing has inherant meaning. It is that nothing has inherant meaning therefore no action is preferable to any other, which is patently false.

Preference is not reliant on inherant meaning.

Buddhism for example also holds that nothing has inherant meaning but it comes to the opposite conclusion from nihilism. Certain actions are definately preferable to others (moral and compassionate actions for example).
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That all doesn't matter. No one is pushing any philosophy of life or the universe here. Such talk is merely academic.

God is the ultimate pleasure, uninterrupted happiness. No such thing exists. Your wanting something that does not exist is the root of your problem. Transformation, moksha, liberation, and all that stuff are just variations on the same theme: permanent happiness. The body cannot take that. The pleasure of sex, for instance, is by nature temporary. The body can't take uninterrupted pleasure for long, it would be destroyed. Wanting to impose a fictitious, permanent state of happiness on the body is a serious neurological problem.​
 
Its the OP Spider. They are making observations on U.G's work based on that and little else. It's like basing all of Nietzsche's life work on an aphorism. There isn't a proper context to size up U.G.
 
spidergoat said:
There is the impulse to try and fit it into some philosophical framework.
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Well I wouldn't say U.G was without philosophical significance, he rests in an eastern religious context. He was raised within the context of hindu philosophy and religion and it is this he was reacting to. The westerners he dealt with went to him because they were practicing vedanta so I think all of what he says falls into the context of Hinduism and Hindu philosophy. I never for one moment gleaned U.G to be a nihilist; I don't even recall him saying 'there is no god' (he also doesn't say that there is)
 
spidergoat said:
You asked about love, how could I love something if nothing has any inherent meaning. That's the miracle, isn't it? Inanimate, unthinking, meaningless matter can become animate and have the property of love, a natural human emotion.
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If you keep it at that, then you are probably a fan of mysticism ...
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Carcano said:
Philosophy is not about merely being alive, so I happen to agree. :)

Philosophy is about true human happiness...something UG is too lazy to even consider.
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Bullshit. "Human Happiness" is your concern. It isn't the concern of humanity itself, nor any divine whatsit in the clouds.

Philosophy is the pursuit of "truth". Too bad so many want to make it the pursuit of their own. In the end, "truth" has nothing to do with you feel comfortable with.
 
Meursalt said:
Bullshit. "Human Happiness" is your concern. It isn't the concern of humanity itself, nor any divine whatsit in the clouds.
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Do say more about why you think this isn't so.


In the end, "truth" has nothing to do with you feel comfortable with.
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How does it not?


Would you say that truth and happiness are mutually exclusive?
 
Signal said:
Do say more about why you think this isn't so.
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Oh, for fucks sake.
I'm supposed to disprove your belief system rather then you giving evidence for it.
Fucking typical crap.

How does it not?
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If you can't handle answers to your questions which don't fit with your worldview, that's your problem. Not mine.

Would you say that truth and happiness are mutually exclusive?
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Not at all. If you want to hide behind your straw men, go ahead. No concern of mine.
 
Meursalt said:
Philosophy is the pursuit of "truth". Too bad so many want to make it the pursuit of their own. In the end, "truth" has nothing to do with you feel comfortable with.
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I didnt say philosophy is whatever you feel comfortable with...I said its about 'true happiness'.

That is...happiness based on truth.
 
Meursalt said:
Oh, for fucks sake.
I'm supposed to disprove your belief system rather then you giving evidence for it.
Fucking typical crap.


If you can't handle answers to your questions which don't fit with your worldview, that's your problem. Not mine.


Not at all. If you want to hide behind your straw men, go ahead. No concern of mine.
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Oh dear. One sunshine of interest in discussion you are. :bugeye:
 
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