The Hard Problems Of Consciousnes - One of the best cases for Intelligent Design

Discussion in 'Religion' started by LFiess1942, Oct 13, 2014.

  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    The Theory Of Evolution does not presume the existence of intelligent design & does not presume the nonexistence of intelligent design. Consciousness is material. It is not only produced by the brain & affected by the physical body but it is in the brain. Consciousness is in the material physical body. We know matter does have consciousness, of course.
     
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  3. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    "Consciousness is material"
    "We know matter does have consciousness, of course"
    "Matter is material"

    I guess there is a problem in your argument. Consciousness is immaterial. It has no substance. Its metaphysical.
     
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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    It is in the physical material body therefore it is obviously & simply material.
     
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  7. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Since Quantum Mechanics and Bells Theorem have disputed existence of anything "material" I guess your argument of materialism has no support
     
  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    If nothing material exists, trying to argue that consciousness is immaterial as opposed to the material body is quite silly, at best. Keep guessing.
     
  9. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Materialism has always been seen as the most obvious state of reality. So, one has to compare the true state of reality against the presumed but wrong state. Materialism is an delusional view of reality. And if reality as it were is immaterial, what are the implications? Of course its staggering.
     
  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Then why do you claim consciousness is immaterial as opposed to the material body?
     
  11. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Do you not see the implications? If reality is immaterial, and consciousness is immaterial then, reality is consciousness. And nothing exists but consciousness.
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    You aren't answering the question.
     
  13. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    I am denying materialism So. That answers it. I start with Materialism because its the normally accepted notion of reality and matter. I.e Cartesian Dualism. Mind=consciousness and Matter=Material. So, I start with comparison of consciousness as Immaterial as compared with what is taken as material. Then having distinguished both, then, I argue that even that which is taken as "material" is not material as such, but immaterial. The, I united both, by claiming that no material thing exists, but rather, all is consciousnesses. Does that answer your query?
     
  14. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    No. If nothing material exists, trying to argue that consciousness is immaterial as opposed to the material body is quite silly, at best. Maybe you should begin again.
     
  15. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    guess you are right. How silly of me?
     
  16. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    logical fallacy: up distributed middle.
    Your argument is the same as saying: if dogs are animals, and cats are animals, then dogs are cats!
    And I hope you can see how this is fallacious?
     
  17. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah. Really stupid of me.
     
  18. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Design comes from Consciousness. Consciousness is primary. Consciousness manifests the reality we apprehend and examine. But our tools of analyzing this reality is limited by sense experience, since these are all the tools we have.
     
  19. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Cogito ergo sum. So I cannot doubt I got a mind, coz I think
     
  20. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    You need to read the bible story critically.

    (1) "Creation Day" was not "Day" as we know it, since the Sun and the Moon, which makes the "day" as we know it, (Time it takes for the earth to half-rotate) was created on the fourth "Creation Day"

    (2) God, being Almighty, infers that he cannot get tired, or succumb to fatigues so as to "rest"

    (3) Man, in Genesis 1:26-29. was not Adam. Remeber this Man, was the Image and Likeness of the Triune Majesty of God. So Man, in Genesis 1:26-29, was a Trinity, just like God. But when Adam became"like us" God was angry.

    (4) God transcend time. Therefore, Time, and the period of creation does not constrain God.
     
  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    If you want to avoid ridicule, I suggest you take on board what you have been told, about your misconceptions about the supposed need for an "observer" in quantum mechanics.

    It's bunk.
     
  22. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    I do not mind ridicule and I do not want apologetics. Radical ideas, have always a tendency of provoking indignation especially for those who cannot afford the courage required to think "Outside the Box" Its takes guts, even to sound foolish, (like Galileo) to the conservative
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Ah yes, the Galileo gambit. It's taken a while, but here it comes at last. I know, we are all closed-minded members of a priesthood etc………….

    Best of luck with your paper.
     

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