The handicap principle

Spathi

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The handicap principle is a controversial hypothesis, possible confirmed by Alan Grafen. I would like to understand his reasoning. A handicap is a harmful thing, like a peacock's tail, that attracts females precisely because it is harmful. Dawkins uses the following analogy: if two men are running a marathon, one of them has a bag on his shoulders, and they arrive at the same time, then the woman can choose the man with the bag, because her instincts know that he is strong (since he ran fast despite the bag). But this is probably not a correct analogy, because in wildlife such a bag is worn all his life, and is not removed after the demonstration. I will use a simple model. All men are divided into strong and weak, and into drinkers and non-drinkers (four combinations in total). The weak men drink a lot and this makes it very difficult for them to survive. The strong men drink moderately, this also hinders them, but not much. Women don't know if a man is strong or weak, but they know whether he drinks and that he survived. Therefore, if a woman sees a drinking man, she knows that he is more likely to be strong than a non-drinking man. Here is the weakest point - where did this correlation come from, that the weak drink much, and the strong drink a little? You can also suggest that a man stops drinking after the wedding, but somehow it turns out to be strained.
Here the handicap principle is criticized, but I think that the skepticism is not well-argumented:

 


The handicap principle is a controversial hypothesis, possible confirmed by Alan Grafen. I would like to understand his reasoning. A handicap is a harmful thing, like a peacock's tail, that attracts females precisely because it is harmful. Dawkins uses the following analogy: if two men are running a marathon, one of them has a bag on his shoulders, and they arrive at the same time, then the woman can choose the man with the bag, because her instincts know that he is strong (since he ran fast despite the bag). But this is probably not a correct analogy, because in wildlife such a bag is worn all his life, and is not removed after the demonstration. I will use a simple model. All men are divided into strong and weak, and into drinkers and non-drinkers (four combinations in total). The weak men drink a lot and this makes it very difficult for them to survive. The strong men drink moderately, this also hinders them, but not much. Women don't know if a man is strong or weak, but they know whether he drinks and that he survived. Therefore, if a woman sees a drinking man, she knows that he is more likely to be strong than a non-drinking man. Here is the weakest point - where did this correlation come from, that the weak drink much, and the strong drink a little? You can also suggest that a man stops drinking after the wedding, but somehow it turns out to be strained.
Here the handicap principle is criticized, but I think that the skepticism is not well-argumented:

Your model is a poor choice for several reasons. The first is that natural selection selects for those with higher rates of reproductive success, not for "survival". The second is human beings are an extremely bad model, due to the complexity of human society and culture, which makes suitability as a mate a many-factored issue. Women choose men for complex reasons that have little to do with "strength". The third is that women do know whether or not a man is "strong" (or, more realistically, otherwise desirable as a mate) without needing to look at how much they drink, for God's sake. (Though maybe in Russia everyone is a drunk so it is a more relevant factor there.:biggrin: )

On the science, my (non-expert) understanding is that the Handicap Principle has been heavily criticised for lack of evidence to support it, and is consequently regarded nowadays as of doubtful validity.
 
On the science, my (non-expert) understanding is that the Handicap Principle has been heavily criticised for lack of evidence to support it, and is consequently regarded nowadays as of doubtful validity.
Why the experiments of Graphene can't be considered as full and complete evidence?
 
I have already apoligized above.

If you mean a person called Grafen, can you link to the relevant research?

Before googling this research, I repeat my link at the op:


The most widely cited explanation for the evolution of reliable signals is Zahavi's so-called Handicap Principle, which proposes that signals are honest because they are costly to produce. Here we provide a critical review of the Handicap Principle and its theoretical development. We explain why this idea is erroneous, and how it nevertheless became widely accepted as the leading explanation for honest signalling. In 1975, Zahavi proposed that elaborate secondary sexual characters impose ‘handicaps’ on male survival, not due to inadvertent signalling trade-offs, but as a mechanism that functions to demonstrate males' genetic quality to potential mates. His handicap hypothesis received many criticisms, and in response, Zahavi clarified his hypothesis and explained that it assumes that signals are wasteful as well as costly, and that they evolve because wastefulness enforces honesty. He proposed that signals evolve under ‘signal selection’, a non-Darwinian type of selection that favours waste rather than efficiency. He maintained that the handicap hypothesis provides a general principle to explain the evolution of all types of signalling systems, i.e. the Handicap Principle. In 1977, Zahavi proposed a second hypothesis for honest signalling, which received many different labels and interpretations, although it was assumed to be another example of handicap signalling. In 1990, Grafen published models that he claimed vindicated Zahavi's Handicap Principle. His conclusions were widely accepted and the Handicap Principle subsequently became the dominant paradigm for explaining the evolution of honest signalling in the biological and social sciences. Researchers have subsequently focused on testing predications of the Handicap Principle, such as measuring the absolute costs of honest signals (and using energetic and other proximate costs as proxies for fitness), but very few have attempted to test Grafen's models. We show that Grafen's models do not support the handicap hypothesis, although they do support Zahavi's second hypothesis, which proposes that males adjust their investment into the expression of their sexual signals according to their condition and ability to bear the costs (and risks to their survival). Rather than being wasteful over-investments, honest signals evolve in this scenario because selection favours efficient and optimal investment into signal expression and minimizes signalling costs. This idea is very different from the handicap hypothesis, but it has been widely misinterpreted and equated to the Handicap Principle. Theoretical studies have since shown that signalling costs paid at the equilibrium are neither sufficient nor necessary to maintain signal honesty, and that honesty can evolve through differential benefits, as well as differential costs. There have been increasing criticisms of the Handicap Principle, but they have focused on the limitations of Grafen's model and overlooked the fact that it is not a handicap model. This model is better understood within a Darwinian framework of adaptive signalling trade-offs, without the added burden and confusing logic of the Handicap Principle. There is no theoretical or empirical support for the Handicap Principle and the time is long overdue to usher this idea into an ‘honorable retirement’.
 
No empirical support for this hypothesis. Maynard Smith did a good job of showing how honest signals are not costly, as with stotting by gazelles. And Grafen's model doesn't support the handicap principle....


"We show that Grafen's models do not support the handicap hypothesis, although they do support Zahavi's second hypothesis, which proposes that males adjust their investment into the expression of their sexual signals according to their condition and ability to bear the costs (and risks to their survival). Rather than being wasteful over‐investments, honest signals evolve in this scenario because selection favours efficient and optimal investment into signal expression and minimizes signalling costs. This idea is very different from the handicap hypothesis, but it has been widely misinterpreted and equated to the Handicap Principle. "
 
And Grafen's model doesn't support the handicap principle....
Are you sure? Maybe we can call it some other word, but is the term important? I remember that Dawkins wrote in his book, that the model of Grafen proved him that "the reality is insane" or something like this. So Dawkins agreed that this theory made him feel cognitive dissonance.
 
Are you sure? Maybe we can call it some other word, but is the term important? I remember that Dawkins wrote in his book, that the model of Grafen proved him that "the reality is insane" or something like this. So Dawkins agreed that this theory made him feel cognitive dissonance.
Which book? I probably have it.
 
So Dawkins agreed that this theory made him feel cognitive dissonance.
I could use a little more information on that, if possible. It could have caused him acid reflux, too, but that doesn't tell me why or what his position really was.
 
Which book? I probably have it.
As far as I remember, he wrote this in the latest edition of "Selfish meme", at the end of the book, in Appendix section. In the main part of the book, he wrote "I don't believe in Zahavi's theory, but my skepticism has been reduced since I read it for the first time", and there is a footnote there leading to Appendix section, where he confessed that he started believing it. I don't have this book right now.
 
As far as I remember, he wrote this in the latest edition of "Selfish meme", at the end of the book, in Appendix section. In the main part of the book, he wrote "I don't believe in Zahavi's theory, but my skepticism has been reduced since I read it for the first time", and there is a footnote there leading to Appendix section, where he confessed that he started believing it. I don't have this book right now.
I have that somewhere, "The selfish gene." I will dig it out.
 
I too will be interested to see what you find, if anything.
It looks like he changed his mind between the first edition 1976 and the 40th 2016 (I will have to pick up the 50th if there is one)

Grafen used John Maynard Smith ESS approach that showed a "handicap" would emerge as Evolutionary stable.

I'll get some images
 
I'll get some images
If you find diffiult to find this text, I can paste it here. But the text below is not authentic: this is a translation by Google Translator to English from another language. I hope this text is ok:

In the first edition, I wrote, "I don't believe in this theory, although I'm not nearly as confident in the validity of my skepticism as I was when I first heard about it." I'm glad I wrote "although," because Zahavi's theory now seems far more plausible to me than it did when I first expressed that opinion. Several respected theorists have recently begun to take it seriously, including my colleague Alan Grafen, who, as has been noted in print, "has the rather annoying quality of always being right." He has constructed a mathematical model based on Zahavi's statements and claims that it works. And that this is not some fantastical, esoteric parody of Zahavi, like those others have toyed with, but a direct mathematical embodiment of Zahavi's idea. I will consider here Grafen's original ESS model, although he himself is currently working on a full genetic version that should surpass the ESS model in some respects. This does not mean that the ESS model is actually wrong. It is a good approximation, as are essentially all ESS models, including those described in this book.
The handicap principle is potentially applicable to all situations in which individuals attempt to judge the quality of other individuals, but we will limit our consideration to males advertising themselves to females. This situation is chosen for the sake of clarity. Grafen notes that there are at least four approaches to the handicap principle. They can be called the following: 1) qualifying handicap (any male that survives despite his handicap obviously possesses otherwise excellent qualities, so females choose him); 2) revealing handicap (males perform some difficult task to reveal their hidden talents); 3) conditional handicap (only high-quality males develop a handicap); And finally, 4) Grafen's favorite interpretation, which he called the strategic choice handicap (males possess private information about their own qualities, not shared with females, which they use to "decide" whether to develop a given handicap and how significant it should be). Grafen's strategic choice handicap is amenable to analysis using the ESS. It is not based on the prior assumption that the advertising used by males will be expensive or create handicaps. On the contrary, males are free to develop any type of advertising: honest or deceptive, expensive or cheap. But Grafen shows that, given such freedom of choice at the outset, the handicap system may well prove stable.
Grafen proceeded from the following four assumptions. First, males differ in quality. But quality is not some snobbish notion, like frivolous pride in one's old college or fraternity. (I once received a letter from a reader who concluded, "I hope you won't find my letter presumptuous, after all, I am a Balliol alumnus.") Quality, for Grafen, means that there are good and bad males, in the sense that females will benefit genetically if they choose good males as mates and avoid bad ones. "Good" means strong muscles, capable of running fast, finding prey, and building strong nests. We are not talking about the ultimate reproductive success of a male, since this depends on whether a female chooses a given male. Discussing this now would distract us from the core of the matter. It may or may not manifest itself in the model.
Secondly, females cannot directly assess a male's quality and must rely on his advertising. At this stage, we make no assumptions about the honesty of this advertising. Honesty is something else entirely; it may or may not be detected in the modeling, but that's what the model is for. A male might, for example, "grow" padded shoulders to create the illusion of greater size and strength. The model should show us whether such a false signal will be evolutionarily stable or whether natural selection will favor modest, honest, and truthful advertisements.
Third, males, unlike the females who examine them, in a sense "know" their quality and adopt a specific advertising "strategy"—a rule of conditional advertising depending on their quality. As usual, by "know," I don't mean consciously knowing. Males are assumed to have genes that are activated depending on the male's quality (there is reason to believe that this information is not publicly available, since a male's genes are embedded in his biochemistry, meaning that, by their position, they are undoubtedly much more responsive to his quality than a female's genes). Different males choose different rules. For example, one male might follow the rule: "I display a tail whose size is proportional to my true quality." Another might follow the exact opposite rule. This allows natural selection to adjust the rules, favoring males who are genetically programmed to apply different rules. The level of advertising need not be directly proportional to true quality. A male could even choose the opposite rule. We only require that males be programmed to apply some rule to determine their true quality and choose a particular level of advertising based on this (for example, tail or horn size). As for which of the possible rules will ultimately prove stable, this is again one of the problems the model should help solve.
 
Fourth, females have the ability to create their own rules. In their case, the rules concern the selection of males based on the effectiveness of the latter's advertising (remember that females, or rather their genes, unlike males, do not have information about quality as such). One female, for example, adheres to the rule: "Trust males completely," a second: "Completely ignore male advertising," and a third: "Assume that in reality, everything is exactly the opposite of what the advertising would like you to believe." So, we've assumed the existence of males who differ in the rules by which they link quality to the level of advertising, and females who differ in the rules by which they relate mate choice to the level of advertising. So far, in our reasoning, males can choose any rule linking quality to advertising, and females can choose any rule linking male advertising to their choice. This is somewhat similar to the "Faithful Reveler and Modest Slut" model in that we're looking for an evolutionarily stable rule for males and an evolutionarily stable rule for females, where stability means mutual stability, where each given rule is stable when both it and the other rule are followed. If we can find such a pair of evolutionarily stable rules, we can study them to understand what life would be like in a community consisting of males and females acting according to these rules. More precisely, would this world conform to Zahavi's handicap principle?
Grafen set himself the task of finding such a mutually stable pair of rules. If I were to undertake this task, I would likely have to engage in long and laborious computer modeling. I would feed the computer data on a series of males, each differing in the rules by which they correlate quality with advertising. I would also feed it data on a series of females, each differing in the rules by which they select males based on the advertising levels employed by the latter. Then I would let the males and females "run" around in the computer, colliding with each other, mating when males satisfied the female selection criteria, and passing on their male and female rules to their sons and daughters. Of course, individuals would survive or perish depending on the quality they inherited. As one generation passed, the changing fates of each male and female rule would be reflected in changes in their frequencies in the population. From time to time, I would check the computer to see if any stable mixtures had formed.
This method should work in principle, but there are difficulties in its application. Fortunately, mathematicians can obtain the same results as modeling by setting up a few equations and solving them. This is precisely what Grafen did. I won't present his mathematical calculations or his further assumptions here, but will instead proceed directly to his conclusions. He succeeded in finding a pair of evolutionarily stable rules.
So, on to the main question. Does Grafen's ESS create a world that Zahavi would recognize as a world of handicaps and fairness? The answer is "yes." Grafen established that the existence of an evolutionarily stable world that combines the following properties postulated by Zahavi is indeed possible:
1. Despite the possibility of free strategic choice in the level of advertising, males choose a level that closely matches their true quality, even if this quality turns out to be low. In other words, under the ESS, males behave honestly.
2. Despite the possibility of free strategic choice, when responding to male advertisements, females ultimately choose the "Trust the Male" strategy. Under the ESS, females are justifiably "trusting."
3. Advertising is expensive. In other words, if the effects of quality and attractiveness could somehow be ignored, it would be more profitable for a male not to advertise (thereby saving energy or becoming less noticeable to predators). Advertising is not only expensive – this advertising system is chosen precisely because of its high cost. It is chosen precisely because it actually leads to a decrease in the success of those who use it (all other things being equal).
4. Advertising is more expensive for high-quality males. With the same level of advertising, the risk for a frail male increases more than for a strong one. Low-quality males are exposed to greater risks from expensive advertising than high-quality ones.
These properties, especially the third, are entirely consistent with Zahavi's ideas. Grafen's picture, demonstrating their evolutionary stability under fairly plausible conditions, seems very convincing. But equally compelling are the arguments of Zahavi's critics (whose influence was felt on the first edition of this book), who believed that Zahavi's ideas have no bearing on evolution.
 
If you find diffiult to find this text, I can paste it here. But the text below is not authentic: this is a translation by Google Translator to English from another language. I hope this text is ok:

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