The field is a real entity

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"We may therefore regard matter as being constituted by the regions of space in which the field is extremely intense...There is no place in this new kind of physics for the field and matter, for the field is the only reality."
--Einstein

The field is that which is an entity. Not only is it real, it is the only reality. I.e. the field is reality. However, it cannot be interacted with at one's whim, it would require something special, perhaps a soul or spirit. Personal experience may be the only evidence so far.
 
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The field is that which is an entity. Not only is it real, it is the only reality. I.e. the field is reality. However, it cannot be interacted with at one's whim, it would require something special, perhaps a soul or spirit. Personal experience may be the only evidence so far.

It seems Einstein was referring to fields as particular configurations of spacetime. That's how he conceived gravity, as a curvature in spacetime. The question remains open as to what CAUSES these geometrical configurations. Implicit here, in keeping with the proprioceptive metaphor of twisting or shaping, is the idea of force, as perhaps nothing more than just a metaphor. A force that can form or deform spacetime as though it were an otherwise formless substance. But the field IS the force. Gravity is both the warp in spacetime and what is warping spacetime. We are left with an irreducible entity--a field/force that originates itself out of nothing. A perplexing metaphysical conundrum to say the least..
 
It seems Einstein was referring to fields as particular configurations of spacetime. That's how he conceived gravity, as a curvature in spacetime. The question remains open as to what CAUSES these geometrical configurations. Implicit here, in keeping with the proprioceptive metaphor of twisting or shaping, is the idea of force, as perhaps nothing more than just a metaphor. A force that can form or deform spacetime as though it were an otherwise formless substance. But the field IS the force. Gravity is both the warp in spacetime and what is warping spacetime. We are left with an irreducible entity--a field/force that originates itself out of nothing. A perplexing metaphysical conundrum to say the least..

Yes! Indeed! :bravo:
 
It seems Einstein was referring to fields as particular configurations of spacetime. That's how he conceived gravity, as a curvature in spacetime. The question remains open as to what CAUSES these geometrical configurations. Implicit here, in keeping with the proprioceptive metaphor of twisting or shaping, is the idea of force, as perhaps nothing more than just a metaphor. A force that can form or deform spacetime as though it were an otherwise formless substance. But the field IS the force. Gravity is both the warp in spacetime and what is warping spacetime. We are left with an irreducible entity--a field/force that originates itself out of nothing. A perplexing metaphysical conundrum to say the least..

"a field/force that originates itself out of nothing." Totally inaccurate. Gravity is a force dependent upon the presence of matter, it does NOT originate from nothing. So is your statement about gravity being the warp in spacetime. Gravity CAUSES the warp it is NOT the warp, as does acceleration - which cannot be distinguished from gravity.

Obviously your education in basic physics is lacking.
 
My naive understanding of GR is that gravity is curvature of spacetime caused by massive presence which causes that curvature around it. So mass affects surrounding spacetime and the curvature effect is gravity which affects other masses within effective reach of that curvature called gravity which causes gravitational interaction between masses towards each other. Then gravity is the curvature but the curvature is caused by masses, so masses make gravity by curving spacetime.
 
My naive understanding of GR is that gravity is curvature of spacetime caused by massive presence which causes that curvature around it. So mass affects surrounding spacetime and the curvature effect is gravity which affects other masses within effective reach of that curvature called gravity which causes gravitational interaction between masses towards each other. Then gravity is the curvature but the curvature is caused by masses, so masses make gravity by curving spacetime.

Just ignore the ignorant troll. I knew gravity was the curvature of spacetime. What I didn't know is that mass but not gravity causes that curvature. Is mass therefore a force exerted on spacetime? Also, at the micro level, it seems gravity IS a force of attraction caused by gravitons and no longer a curvature. Obviously there's much work to do on reconciling these two aspects of gravity together.
 
The field and matter are not equals. The field is more fundamental than matter. Perhaps, as Magical Realist said, the field is spacetime itself if I'm not mistaken.
 
My naive understanding of GR is that gravity is curvature of spacetime caused by massive presence which causes that curvature around it. So mass affects surrounding spacetime and the curvature effect is gravity which affects other masses within effective reach of that curvature called gravity which causes gravitational interaction between masses towards each other. Then gravity is the curvature but the curvature is caused by masses, so masses make gravity by curving spacetime.

Spacetime, or the curvature of spacetime, is not itself the cause of gravity, it is the result of gravity— it is a description of what the interaction of objects, in space over time, looks like to us! — Decribed in four dimensions.

Gravity does require the presence and interaction of mass, with either another mass or some form of energy, such as light— as in photons.

General Relativity is a description of how things interact, not what causes the interaction. IE GR does not describe what causes gravity— that is at least at present, something being approached from the context of quantum mechanics, in a variety of ways... So far without significant success.

In a very crude way you could think of the curvature of spacetime as like a whirlpool in a river, which is caused by the dynamics of how the water in the river and the riverbed interact... In the case of gravitation, we know that mass must be involved (the riverbed), but the nature and "substance" of spacetime (the water), in practice remains unclear... And thus the mechanism of gravitation, also remains unclear...

Personnally, I believe there is some promiss in approaching the underlying mechanism from the perspective of "Induced Inertia" and it seems to some lesser degree, from what I understand of "Induced Gravitation". (See papers by Puthoff, Rueda, Haisch & others, for information on "Induced Inertia and Gravitation.)
 
Just ignore the ignorant troll. I knew gravity was the curvature of spacetime. What I didn't know is that mass but not gravity causes that curvature. Is mass therefore a force exerted on spacetime? Also, at the micro level, it seems gravity IS a force of attraction caused by gravitons and no longer a curvature. Obviously there's much work to do on reconciling these two aspects of gravity together.

You can ignore whoever you want - but it's us that are not willing to ignore YOUR ignorance! At least you were honest enough to finally admit - contrary to what you posted earlier! - that it's mass that produces gravity. Something that pretty much all kids in high school have understood for a very long time. So tell us: did you drop out of school to join the navy?
 
That in whom reside all beings and who resides in all beings, who is the giver of grace to all, the Supreme Soul of the universe, the limitless being -- I am that.

Amritbindu Upanishad


That which permeates all, which nothing transcends and which, like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman -- that thou art.
Sankaracharya


http://prahlad.org/gallery/nisargadatta/books/I-am-that-1.html
 
you should post this in the religion sections if this is where you are headed.

I am who I am
- Popeye
 
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