The Face of God....

[Atlan0001]

You look out into the universe, you are possibly looking into the 'Face of God'. Does God the Father, Himself, or Itself (Cosmopolis, Unity, Order....), really need any kind of "cause" to simply exist?! Personally, I don't think so. I don't believe so.

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The same with 'Mother Nature' (the 'Wild')?!

Here-in talking an infinite 'God' of 'Universe', a 'God' of 'Infinity' (quantity . . . and quality), not religion!

 

[Pinball1970]

really need any kind of "cause" to simply exist?

Why do theists give a god a free pass when it comes to coming into existence, whereas the Universe has to have every "T" crossed and "i" dotted?


What is nice is the scientific community are doing just that for us, crossing "T"s and dotting "i"s.

 

[Olga]

Why do theists give a god a free pass when it comes to coming into existence, whereas the Universe has to have every "T" crossed and "i" dotted?


What is nice is the scientific community are doing just that for us, crossing "T"s and dotting "i"s.

Причина подразумевает время. Время подразумевает относительность. Как возникла относительность, Пин? Или она была всегда?

 

[Pinball1970]

Причина подразумевает время. Время подразумевает относительность. Как возникла относительность, Пин? Или она была всегда?

The Theory of Relativity was put together by humans to explain physical phenomena like the speed of light which is invariant/ fixed value in every inertial frame.
Why are these things the way they are in the universe?
I have no idea.

 

[Olga]

The Theory of Relativity was put together by humans to explain physical phenomena like the speed of light which is invariant/ fixed value in every inertial frame.
Why are these things the way they are in the universe?
I have no idea.

Пин, я сейчас не о теории относительности говорю, а вообще о любой относительности. Фактически, это вопрос о том, как из одного объекта(который как считается существовал изначально) получилось два и более?

 

[Pinball1970]

Пин, я сейчас не о теории относительности говорю, а вообще о любой относительности. Фактически, это вопрос о том, как из одного объекта(который как считается существовал изначально) получилось два и более?

In that case you are talking about the first few minutes of the Universe. That's a long story Olga, a books worth and not all details are completely ironed out, this is an active area of research.
I recommend "The first three minutes" by Steven Weinberg 1977. There is a 1993 edition but even that will be out of date now with all th data they have now on gravitational waves,dark matter and the early universe.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

The Theory of Relativity was put together by humans to explain physical phenomena like the speed of light which is invariant/ fixed value in every inertial frame.
Why are these things the way they are in the universe?
I have no idea.

Initial conditions probably determine the universe.

 

[James R]

You look out into the universe, you are possibly looking into the 'Face of God'.

What does the face of God look like, to you?

Does God the Father, Himself, or Itself (Cosmopolis, Unity, Order....), really need any kind of "cause" to simply exist?!

If there are things that need no cause to exist, why start with a God? Why can't the universe simply exist without a cause?

 

[Olga]

What does the face of God look like, to you?

If there are things that need no cause to exist, why start with a God? Why can't the universe simply exist without a cause?

Джеймс, "существовать без причины", означает "существовать вечно". Потому что причинно-следственные связи возможны только во времени.

 

[James R]

Did God cause the universe? Did he do it in time?

 

[Olga]

Did God cause the universe? Did he do it in time?

Может ли существовать что-либо материальное без времени?

 

[James R]

Can there be anything material without time?

Not as far as I know.

Can there by anything non-material without time?

 

[Olga]

Not as far as I know.

Can there by anything non-material without time?

Если оно безотносительно чему либо. Оно будет неопределимо в таком случае. Прямо по Библии: "Бога не видел никто и никогда".

 

[James R]

Olga:

I don't know what we're talking about any more.

Have you got a claim you'd like to make? Or any questions?

 

[Olga]

Olga:

I don't know what we're talking about any more.

Have you got a claim you'd like to make? Or any questions?

Мы говорим о том, что единственный, ничем не отделённый от других объектов объект, невозможно обнаружить и определить.

 

[James R]

We are talking about the fact that a single object, not separated from other objects, cannot be detected and defined.

Are we? The thread topic is about "The face of God", supposedly. You're not getting this thread confused with a different one, are you?

So, anyway, you want to have a philosophical discussion about how we categorise the universe into discrete objects?

 

[Olga]

Are we? The thread topic is about "The face of God", supposedly. You're not getting this thread confused with a different one, are you?

So, anyway, you want to have a philosophical discussion about how we categorise the universe into discrete objects?

Ну вы же физик, вот поэтому я вам с точки зрения физики описала, как может выглядеть Тот, Кого "никто и никогда не видел".

 

[James R]

Olga:

Are you saying that you know (a) that a God exists, (b) that nobody has ever seen it, and (c) Olga knows its point of view of physics?

How does Olga know what this God's point of view about physics is? Olga hasn't seen the God. How does Olga know the God is even real?

 

[Olga]

Olga:

Are you saying that you know (a) that a God exists, (b) that nobody has ever seen it, and (c) Olga knows its point of view of physics?

How does Olga know what this God's point of view about physics is? Olga hasn't seen the God. How does Olga know the God is even real?

Конечно, Он всё это изложил в Библии через пророков. Я вам просто перевела на понятный вам язык.

Ну вы же существуете, почему вы Богу в этом отказываете? Кстати, как вы поняли, что вы действительно существуете?

 

[James R]

Of course, He set it all down in the Bible through the prophets. I just translated it for you into a language you understand.

Olga knows the God is real because the bible says the God is real?

And how does Olga know that what the bible says is true? Because the bible is the word of God.

Can Olga see that this reasoning goes in circles?

Well, you exist, why do you deny this to God?

What God?

I don't deny anything to any god. I'm not convinced that any gods exist, yet. Talking to a god would be as useful as talking to Bugs Bunny or Darth Vader, whom I also currently don't believe exist as anything more than characters in stories.

By the way, how did you know that you really existed?

I think, therefore I am.

"How do you know that anything exists at all?" is not a good way to argue for a God, Olga.