The Epstein files

While I appreciate the nod to the original aphorism, is it really the case? Culture wars don't destroy the truth, just the audience for it. I mean, the truth is the truth, surely (unless it's a purely subjective matter). Culture wars can be selective with them, reframe them, but they don't really destroy them. What is destroyed first, I think, is the will of the audience to care about whether something is true or not. Such apathy doesn't make a casualty of truth, it, at best, makes it "missing in action". Probably something that Chuck Norris would repeatedly go looking for in a movie franchise of increasing ridiculousness. ;)
My reading of the aphorism is that it is meant figuratively, and is not meaning that the truth condition of a proposition undergoes some ontological transformation. It's my understanding that old saying has always meant, as you indicated, that people stop caring about the truth of matters.
 
My reading of the aphorism is that it is meant figuratively, and is not meaning that the truth condition of a proposition undergoes some ontological transformation. It's my understanding that old saying has always meant, as you indicated, that people stop caring about the truth of matters.
Truth is always in plain sight if you have the wisdom to perceive it.
 
Thank you for reposting the slip you found in your fortune cookie.

I will keep it in mind when I need to recall alpha, the fine structure constant, or G, the gravitational constant.
 
My reading of the aphorism is that it is meant figuratively, and is not meaning that the truth condition of a proposition undergoes some ontological transformation. It's my understanding that old saying has always meant, as you indicated, that people stop caring about the truth of matters.
There's a distinction, though, I think, between the attack on truth that, say, Trump's administration, and many politicians engage in, where they genuinely look to change what is true or not, and culture wars that are conflicts more over meaning than fact. The fact is there but one person reads it as one thing, another as something else. Trump trying to say that his 2016 inauguration was the biggliest attended ever is an attack on the actual facts. If his "alternative fact" becomes accepted, then this is when I would see truth being a casualty.
The original aphorism I always saw as being referring to when the actual facts are changed in this manner - in war it would be, for example, politicians lying about death tolls so as to keep up a country's morale. But I hear what you're saying, and apathy can be seen as the matter in hand being lost, a casualty, in the way you describe. :)
 
Lord Mandleson and more images of Prince Andrew too. I really did not need to see them in their tidy whities.
 
Culture wars don't destroy the truth, just the audience for it. I mean, the truth is the truth, surely (unless it's a purely subjective matter). Culture wars can be selective with them, reframe them, but they don't really destroy them. What is destroyed first, I think, is the will of the audience to care about whether something is true or not. Such apathy doesn't make a casualty of truth, it, at best, makes it "missing in action".

This analysis focuses too much on destruction; the absence of truth in a circumstance does not mean it is destroyed for all time.

Sometimes, for instance, someone becomes upset and accuses something about anyone who disagrees, or does not agree one hundred percent, or thereabout, and almost always those statements overlook a large range in which the statement simply isn't true. Generally speaking, this overlooked or excluded range is actually larger than the disagreement in question.

The pretense is that anyone merely asking questions or deviating from some perfect, received wisdom is somehow evil. In that way, the pretense considers that whatever questions it imagines or refers to are somehow the only available questions.

Casualty, as such, includes loss through injury or sickness; being MIA can also suggest that truth is captured. But those circumstances also describe the absence of truth as an act of will.¹

Truth as the first casualty means it is attacked early, and lost to the discussion. Whether this is an act of will or merely accidental is important, especially in "culture wars": One might reasonably wonder who has a stake in removing truth from a discussion, and why they need truth so injured, captured, or even slain; the answer, the true circumstance it represents, might well affect the discussion it is part of. To wit, it is easy to doubt discourse that requires untruth in order to establish itself as true.

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Here, a basic illustration of the concept, according to the idea of a culture war:

{C} ↔ [B] | [A]

If [A] accuses that [B] is being unfair because of an imagined one hundred percent requirement, or perfected received wisdom one cannot deviate from, what about a range that is neither [A] nor [B]? The basic illustration uses a left-right comparison, with [A] arguing from the right of [B]. The point isn't that [A] simply or merely disagrees; the accusation would erase from consideration the entirety of range {C}, which disagrees with [B] in other ways. The limitation [A] encounters, in this case, is self-imposed. There are many ways to disagree, dispute, and deviate from [B] that do not fulfill the accusation.

We might wonder, then, how the absence of truth about such an accusation would serve the discussion it purports to attend. It can be simultaneously true that accurate, appropriate, and affecting disagreement with [B] exists, and that it is absent from a given discussion or argument.

And in the politics of culture war, such fallacy is common.
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Notes:

¹ If we hold out to disagree because of the potential for injury through accident, we might also give some thought to what that means; i.e., the accidental absence of truth is a circumstance that can be repaired.​
 
Ah, a deepity.
Unfortunately as circular as it is useless, after all, anything is always in plain sight to those that can see it. ;)
Только нихрена не видят почему то. Не зря же у нас говорят: хочешь, чтобы не нашли - положи у всех на виду.

Дед рассказывал, что после войны в поездах орудовало много карманников, воровали деньги, даже если человек их в трусах спрятал. И дед как раз ехал с большой суммой денег. Он положил деньги в старый холщёвый мешок, и небрежно закинул его на полку у всех на виду. Доехал спокойно, у него никто ничего не украл, а у других в вагоне деньги "подрезали".
 
This analysis focuses too much on destruction; the absence of truth in a circumstance does not mean it is destroyed for all time.
Excellent post. Thank you. I take what you say on board, and really can't disagree with what you have said. My understanding is/was too narrow, and while the distinction I drew is of note, "casualty" encompasses more than just destruction thereof.
My reading of the aphorism is that it is meant figuratively, and is not meaning that the truth condition of a proposition undergoes some ontological transformation. It's my understanding that old saying has always meant, as you indicated, that people stop caring about the truth of matters.
I withdraw my objection. ;)
 
Только нихрена не видят почему то. Не зря же у нас говорят: хочешь, чтобы не нашли - положи у всех на виду.

Дед рассказывал, что после войны в поездах орудовало много карманников, воровали деньги, даже если человек их в трусах спрятал. И дед как раз ехал с большой суммой денег. Он положил деньги в старый холщёвый мешок, и небрежно закинул его на полку у всех на виду. Доехал спокойно, у него никто ничего не украл, а у других в вагоне деньги "подрезали".
Of course, "hiding in plain sight" is a common enough saying.
 
Сейчас как раз слушаю передачу, и наши местные пропагандисты просто от радости захлёбываются, смакуя эти файлы. Один говорит что то вроде : "Вот! Когда я говорил, что на Западе правят сатанисты - надо мной смеялись. Теперь вы видите, что я был прав"?! Неужели он был прав?!
 
One says something like, "There! When I said the West was ruled by Satanists, they laughed at me. Now you see I was right!"?! Was he really right?!
He was not.

As a Canadian, I can assure you "The West" is more than just America.

We are talking great pains right now to make that clear to the rest of the world. A nation that we thought was a friend has turned out to be a shitstain, and we are mortified at its spiral into madness.
 
Noam Note

(In the time since I started writing this, the sheer magnitude of the Chomsky backlash has surprised me; from this degree of separation, Chomsky has been something of a different experience.)​

My only real sentiment against Chomsky has long been that people wield his name like some sort of saint in a religion that nobody actually follows, the author of sacred scriptures beloved but never read.

The truth is, I never really thought poorly of him; it was just never worth the effort to go read that much in order to explain to libertarians who didn't do their reading why they should stop preaching Chomsky.

In its way, Noam Chomsky's alleged correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein is the strangest affirmation; while Chomsky will be considered a leftist¹ in the late trafficker's association, he was frequently used by others as a moral wag to encourage liberals to move their thought rightward. And even that aspect comes up in the 2019 email forwarding Chomsky's advice to an attorney:

I've watched the horrible way you are being treated in the press and public. It's painful to say, but I think the best way to proceed is to ignore it. I've had plenty of experience, though of course not on this scale. A google search will bring up tons of hysterical accusations of all sorts, even groups devoted to vilifying me. I pay no attention unless I'm approached for comment on a specific matter. It's a nuisance, but it's the best way. The same conclusions from experiences of others, in some cases close friends.

What the vultures dearly want is a public response, which provides a public opening for an onslaught of venomous attacks, many from just publicity seekers or cranks of all sorts -- which are impossible to answer (how do you prove that you are not a neo-Nazi who wants to kill the jews, or a rapist, or whatever charge comes along?) That's particularly true now with the hysteria that has developed about the abuse of women, which has reached the point that even questioning a charge is a crime worse than murder. For virtually everyone who sees any of this, the reaction will be, "where there's smoke there's fire, maybe raging fire" (whatever the facts, which few will even think of investigating).

In general, it's best I think not to react unless directly questioned, particularly in the current mood -- which, I presume, will fade away, even if not in time to prevent much torture and distress.

Hard to say, but it's the best advice I can think of.

Noam.

The attorney, Matthew Hiltzik, wrote, "I think that is wise".

To answer Chomsky, though: You don't prove the negative, but attack the basis of the claim; he already knows that. The problem with such a strategy, of course, is when the basis of the claim has some aspect of merit. Thus, for some people the argument is that you can't call someone a neo-Nazi just for entertaining some aspect of Nazism as legitimate; the counterargument, there, is to not create or advocate safe space for harm.

And perhaps that is a matter of perspective that looks different if you're one who has used Chomsky as some scold that people aren't being nice enough to rightist bigots.

To not be seen in any credible negative light about neo-Nazis, the easiest thing to do is not make excuses for Nazis, Nazi sympathies, or Nazi-adjacent argument. It's like an obscure episode when Tucker Carlson called Gavin Newsom a Nazi because the city of San Francisco would not take extraordinary action against skin color and suspected ethnicity. That is, Newsom earned a Nazi accusation by not persecuting people.

That was so long ago that Carlson said so from a host desk at MSNBC. To answer Chomsky, that was one of the easiest rebuffs of a Nazi accusation, ever; sometimes, it's easy to make the point that you're not a Nazi. And if we wonder why Chomsky worries about such things, well, think of how profane the implication would have sounded if we weren't reading his advice to a trafficker. What excuses would people make for his perspective on "the hysteria that has developed about abuse of women"?

Think about the idea that age and frailty are Chomsky's only excuse; he was ninety when he wrote that. But it's also not so much a question of smoke, fire, and "whatever the facts, which few will even think of investigating"; we see what the facts were.

If we wish to excuse Chomsky, or mitigate the implication, we must also account for the fact that his advice came over eleven years after the Acosta deal, and might well be a marker describing just how awful the plea agreement was. To answer Chomsky, what people find when they investigate the facts is that it was already a raging fire before he said that.

Because Chomsky's sympathy seems either oblivious or contemptuous toward the fact that Epstein had acknowledged trafficking minors. The best excuse Chomsky has is the damage done by the Acosta deal; the deal shut down enough investigations and suppressed enough of the fire that there's just no way Noam could have known.

As such, Chomsky's sympathy toward Epstein either has no idea, or else it does—"the horrible way you are being treated", "even if not in time to prevent much torture and distress".

And of Chomsky himself, it is not necessarily a question of smoke and fire, but, rather, this is the world we live in, and we need to accept both that people can think this way, and the prospect that it might very well have significant influence in daily life at large. Plenty of seemingly smart people are caught up in this in seemingly stupid ways.

But as much as we come back↑ to the idea of the "Acosta effect", that people didn't get clear because they didn't know how bad the situation really was, the counterpoint is what they say along the way. And, sure, maybe because of the Acosta effect people didn't ever stop to think that their emails to an unrepentant convicted sex trafficker might someday become public information.
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Notes:

¹ Meanwhile, I am actually struck by the number of leftists among the social media bloc reminding that Chomsky was always so awful. Now that I think about it, I really shouldn't be so surprised. Chomsky is not much influence in my own outlook, and most of my intersections with his name are other people's excuses. It feels like it's probably kind of a weird experience.​

 
He was not.

As a Canadian, I can assure you "The West" is more than just America.

We are talking great pains right now to make that clear to the rest of the world. A nation that we thought was a friend has turned out to be a shitstain, and we are mortified at its spiral into madness.
About two thirds of us, down here, are at least as mortified. But not all that surprised. As William Carlos Williams wrote, the pure products of America go crazy.
 
One more figure who appears in the Epstein files is physicist/cosmologist Lawrence Krauss. Krauss mostly features in Epstein's email correspondence, since Krauss and Epstein were - at least from Krauss's point of view - pretty close buddies for quite a few years.

Krauss has developed something of a reputation over the past 10 years for making unwanted advances towards young women (who complained after the fact), including on at least one expensive cruise in which he was a featured speaker and at several different events at which he was an invited speaker.

Krauss initially rose to fame as a science populariser, then was a darling of the "new atheist" movement for some years.

What's in the Epstein files about Krauss? Quite a lot of email correspondence between him and Jeffrey Epstein. Krauss visited Epstein's island and flew on his plane a number of times.

The sense of the correspondence between Krauss and Epstein seems to be that Krauss was often asking Epstein for money for various projects of his. Krauss also asked Epstein on several occasions for advice on how to deal with negative publicity about his (Krauss's) sexual exploits and (alleged) harrassment of women.

It appears that Epstein might have got a little tired of Krauss's requests for funding over the years. Some of Epstein's later emails to Krauss suggest Epstein developed an attitude of "I have better things to do with my time than deal with your shit". But Krauss apparently continued to try to suck up to Epstein long after he knew about Epstein's abuse of underaged girls.

Krauss was subject to disciplinary action by the university that employed him at once stage - IIRC for sexually harassing young women. I'd have to check whether he was actually dismissed from his position.

I've known about Krauss's reputation for some years. I, for one, will not be supporting anything he is involved in, going forward. I did, in the past - before I knew about his sordid history - attend at least one conference at which Krauss gave a talk. I came to know of him when I purchased one of the earliest books he wrote which, as it turns out, will be the first and last time I will purchase something written by him.

Krauss is a good science communicator, but it turns out that he's shitty as a man. The more than comes out about him, the worse he looks. Time to write this guy off, I think.
 
I should add, regarding Krauss, that apparently a lot of prominent men who shared stages with Krauss were quick to dismiss the credible reports of his bad behaviour towards women. Some went so far as to try to protect Krauss from his accusers, apparently by "blacklisting" those women from being invited to speak at events where Krauss was speaker.

Also in the Epstein files is at least one photograph of Krauss, Epstein, Richard Dawkins and Steven Pinker, all enjoying Epstein's hospitality on his "lolita express" private jet. Certainly, hobnobbing with Krauss hasn't done Richard Dawkins' reputation any favours, at least in my eyes.
 
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