The Epstein files
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The Little Things
It really does seem a small detail, compared to all else, but what do we do at the intersection of the 2019 victim interview↱ in which Epstein allegedly wanted her to recruit more victims and specified, "Don't bring me any niggers", and the 2013 email↱ in which Epstein explained, "trump will be there. doesn't like black girls, calls them 'boogers', won't go w in 10 feet".
It really does seem a small detail, compared to all else, but what do we do at the intersection of the 2019 victim interview↱ in which Epstein allegedly wanted her to recruit more victims and specified, "Don't bring me any niggers", and the 2013 email↱ in which Epstein explained, "trump will be there. doesn't like black girls, calls them 'boogers', won't go w in 10 feet".
The bolded portion displays a truly staggering level of ignorance and idiocy.
In this latest document dump there are numerous instances wherein victims' names and images are not redacted. Yet plenty of material which ought to be present, like follow-up investigations into allegations, for instance, is conspicuously absent. Further:
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A witness swore under penalty of perjury that Donald Trump threatened a young girl, telling her she could “disappear like another 12-year-old female,” and then threatened to kill her entire family, according to Epstein-related court records.
This allegation appears in Dataset 9 of Epstein File EFTA01250883.pdf.
This is sworn testimony.
If the witness fabricated this account, they would face multiple years in federal prison for perjury.
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Scott Gorbach
A witness swore under penalty of perjury that Donald Trump threatened a young girl, telling her she could “disappear like another 12-year-old female,” and then threatened to kill her entire family,...
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Nearly a thousand mentions of "pizza", often paired with "grape soda", in this latest dump--clearly not really pizza and grape soda being referred to, but we can only guess what such are code for. And (the Trump regime largely being) a cabal of Evangelical pedophiles and human traffickers. We always knew that Pizzagate and Q were projection, but the degree... and the literalness and direct correspondences? Frankly, much more than I had ever anticipated and yet we've still only seen a portion, and with a whole lot redacted (excepting identities of victims, unfortunately).
Some OCRed sections:
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14. I personally witnessed Defendant Trump telling the Plaintiff that she shouldn't ever say anything if she didn't want to disappear like the 12-year-old female XXXX and that he was capable of having her whole family killed.
15. After leaving the employment of Mr. Epstein in the year 2000, I was personally threatened by Mr. Epstein that I would be killed and my family killed as well if I ever disclosed any of the physical and sexual abuse of minor females that I had personally witnessed by Mr. Epstein or any of his guests.
16. I am coming forward to swear to the truthfulness of the physical and sexual abuse that I personally witnessed of minor females at the hands of Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein, including the Plaintiff, during the time of my employment from the years of 1990-2000 for Mr. Epstein. I swear to these facts under penalty of perjury even though I fully understand that the life of myself and my family is now in grave danger.
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
DATED: June 18, 2016
Tiffany Doe
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Complaint Summary
XXX reported an unidentified female friend who was forced to perform President Trump approximately 35 years ago in NJ. The friend told Alexis that she was approximately 13-14 years old when this occurred and the friend allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral sex. The friend was allegedly hit in the face after she laughed about biting President Trump. The friend said she was also abused by Epstein.
XXX reported she has a friend XXXX who was a personal assistant to Epstein in Florida from or 1992. This friend shared names of some of the guests at Epstein's parties, to include Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.
At age 16, while modeling. caller attended 8 parties at Epstein's New York residence. On one occasion, caller reported she was sexually assaulted by Epstein. On another occasion, two twin brothers, Allen and Oren, lured caller and her friend upstairs but they escaped back downstairs. Caller stated Oren raped her best friend and a third brother, Tal, raped a 14 year old named XXXX. Caller named other individuals involved in 'big orgy parties" with her, other young girls. and older Victona's Secret models. including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.
Online complainant reported she was a victim and witness to a sex trafficking ring at the Trump Golf Course in Rancho Palos Verdes. CA between 1995-1996. Complainant reported Ghislaine Maxwell as the madam and broker for sex parties. clients of whom included Epstein, Robin Leach, and Donald Trump. Complainant reported participating in orgies and that some girls went missing, rumored to have been murdered and buried at the facility. Complainant reported being threatened by Trump's then head of security that, if she ever talked of what went on there or who she saw, he would 'end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like the other cunts.'
Complainant claims to have video of high-profile sex parties. dealings with cartels. and having witnessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at a party.
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Complainant reported his ex-girlfriend XXXX XXXX were victims of Epstein's and one was murdered. While working as a limousine driver. complainant recalled picking up Donald Trump in 1995 to take him to Dallas Fort Worth Airport. During that rife. complainant recalled some of the things Trump spoke about on his cell phone were very concerning and described being 'a few seconds from pulling the limousine over on the median and within a few seconds of pulling him out of the car and hurting him due to some of the things he was saying " Complainant noted Trump repeatedly stated the name 'Jeffrey' while on the phone. One of complainant's ex-girlfriends XXX told complainant Trump raped her, as did Epstein.
Complainant following up after a call with NYPD officer regarding her previous Donald Trump tip, reporting that she was forced to perform sex acts when she was 13 years old and pregnant in 1984. Complainant also reported there were high profile individuals involved in her sex trafficking and the murder and disposal of her newborn daughter. Complainant reported Donald Trump participated regularly in paying money to force her to perform sex acts with him and alleged Trump was present when her uncle murdered her newborn child.
Caller was taken by boat to Epstein's Island. Caller said it was complicated and involved Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Caller became a school counselor and had a meeting with the school principal, Linda Kitts, and a police officer whore the caller was informed there were pictures of herself with Epstein. Caller reported the school was mad at her for not being a Trump person and that the school wanted her to testify and say things against Andrew Cuomo. The FBI and Donald Trump were on the phone during the meeting. Caller believes the FBI has baby pictures of her with Epstein.
Caller reported that in 1987 a friend (Victim 1) was out drinking and ended up at Trump Plaza. Victim 1 saw Donald Trump and wanted to meet him. A unknown man approached her and offered to introduce her to Trump. The unknown man gave Victim 1 a drink and Victim 1 woke up naked and sore with $300 on the bed. Victim 1 didn't remember how she got to the room. She remembered seeing 'a flash' of Trump's face. Victim 1 called the Caller and told her she thought she had been raped. Victim 1 did not go to a hospital to have a rape kit performed because she didn't think anyone would believe her especially because she was drunk. Victim l's husband's business had problems with suppliers and Victim 1 believed Trump was behind it. Victim 1 also started dating a lawyer, identifier's unknown, who was married. Victim 1 had a fight with her lawyer boyfriend and went to a bar Victim 1 left a bar with a man who no one in the bar recognized but who seemed familiar with Victim 1. Victim 1 was never seen again. A few years ago, remains were discovered that matched the description of what Victim 1 was wearing when she went missing. DNA tests at the time were inconclusive.
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14. I personally witnessed Defendant Trump telling the Plaintiff that she shouldn't ever say anything if she didn't want to disappear like the 12-year-old female XXXX and that he was capable of having her whole family killed.
15. After leaving the employment of Mr. Epstein in the year 2000, I was personally threatened by Mr. Epstein that I would be killed and my family killed as well if I ever disclosed any of the physical and sexual abuse of minor females that I had personally witnessed by Mr. Epstein or any of his guests.
16. I am coming forward to swear to the truthfulness of the physical and sexual abuse that I personally witnessed of minor females at the hands of Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein, including the Plaintiff, during the time of my employment from the years of 1990-2000 for Mr. Epstein. I swear to these facts under penalty of perjury even though I fully understand that the life of myself and my family is now in grave danger.
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
DATED: June 18, 2016
Tiffany Doe
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Complaint Summary
XXX reported an unidentified female friend who was forced to perform President Trump approximately 35 years ago in NJ. The friend told Alexis that she was approximately 13-14 years old when this occurred and the friend allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral sex. The friend was allegedly hit in the face after she laughed about biting President Trump. The friend said she was also abused by Epstein.
XXX reported she has a friend XXXX who was a personal assistant to Epstein in Florida from or 1992. This friend shared names of some of the guests at Epstein's parties, to include Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.
At age 16, while modeling. caller attended 8 parties at Epstein's New York residence. On one occasion, caller reported she was sexually assaulted by Epstein. On another occasion, two twin brothers, Allen and Oren, lured caller and her friend upstairs but they escaped back downstairs. Caller stated Oren raped her best friend and a third brother, Tal, raped a 14 year old named XXXX. Caller named other individuals involved in 'big orgy parties" with her, other young girls. and older Victona's Secret models. including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.
Online complainant reported she was a victim and witness to a sex trafficking ring at the Trump Golf Course in Rancho Palos Verdes. CA between 1995-1996. Complainant reported Ghislaine Maxwell as the madam and broker for sex parties. clients of whom included Epstein, Robin Leach, and Donald Trump. Complainant reported participating in orgies and that some girls went missing, rumored to have been murdered and buried at the facility. Complainant reported being threatened by Trump's then head of security that, if she ever talked of what went on there or who she saw, he would 'end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like the other cunts.'
Complainant claims to have video of high-profile sex parties. dealings with cartels. and having witnessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at a party.
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Complainant reported his ex-girlfriend XXXX XXXX were victims of Epstein's and one was murdered. While working as a limousine driver. complainant recalled picking up Donald Trump in 1995 to take him to Dallas Fort Worth Airport. During that rife. complainant recalled some of the things Trump spoke about on his cell phone were very concerning and described being 'a few seconds from pulling the limousine over on the median and within a few seconds of pulling him out of the car and hurting him due to some of the things he was saying " Complainant noted Trump repeatedly stated the name 'Jeffrey' while on the phone. One of complainant's ex-girlfriends XXX told complainant Trump raped her, as did Epstein.
Complainant following up after a call with NYPD officer regarding her previous Donald Trump tip, reporting that she was forced to perform sex acts when she was 13 years old and pregnant in 1984. Complainant also reported there were high profile individuals involved in her sex trafficking and the murder and disposal of her newborn daughter. Complainant reported Donald Trump participated regularly in paying money to force her to perform sex acts with him and alleged Trump was present when her uncle murdered her newborn child.
Caller was taken by boat to Epstein's Island. Caller said it was complicated and involved Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Caller became a school counselor and had a meeting with the school principal, Linda Kitts, and a police officer whore the caller was informed there were pictures of herself with Epstein. Caller reported the school was mad at her for not being a Trump person and that the school wanted her to testify and say things against Andrew Cuomo. The FBI and Donald Trump were on the phone during the meeting. Caller believes the FBI has baby pictures of her with Epstein.
Caller reported that in 1987 a friend (Victim 1) was out drinking and ended up at Trump Plaza. Victim 1 saw Donald Trump and wanted to meet him. A unknown man approached her and offered to introduce her to Trump. The unknown man gave Victim 1 a drink and Victim 1 woke up naked and sore with $300 on the bed. Victim 1 didn't remember how she got to the room. She remembered seeing 'a flash' of Trump's face. Victim 1 called the Caller and told her she thought she had been raped. Victim 1 did not go to a hospital to have a rape kit performed because she didn't think anyone would believe her especially because she was drunk. Victim l's husband's business had problems with suppliers and Victim 1 believed Trump was behind it. Victim 1 also started dating a lawyer, identifier's unknown, who was married. Victim 1 had a fight with her lawyer boyfriend and went to a bar Victim 1 left a bar with a man who no one in the bar recognized but who seemed familiar with Victim 1. Victim 1 was never seen again. A few years ago, remains were discovered that matched the description of what Victim 1 was wearing when she went missing. DNA tests at the time were inconclusive.
Again, where are the follow-up investigations into these claims? Todd Blanche says the review of the Epstein documents is "over" and there will be no subsequent releases. Not hardly.
Pretty much, if it involves doling out retreads. Civil allegations from past litigation attempts and settlements, that were already known, but still degenerate enough in details to preoccupy the press and the public. Could be some new shiny baubles in the mix, though. The Mar-a-Lago "calendar girl" stuff (whatever the "official" label for that is) has rolled around in a general mention way before, but probably not with the specifics.
At any rate, Trump knows that they are "bullets" that have bounced off him before, but are still gaudy and evil enough to distract and preoccupy the attention sphere for a while. Perhaps an upping of strategy, where any previous anxiety about and cautious need to subdue explicit horrors seems to be less a concern for the administration now. "We need a bigger show for them to gawk at while we carry out the next step for _X_."
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?? By the Trump-controlled DOJ? Is that a serious question?
TheVat
Valued Senior Member
It says something that I am currently reading a book by a priest (Walter Ciszek) spending years in a Siberian work camp as something to take my mind off current developments with the PedoOTUS and his buddy Jeff.
And yes, it would be really hard to imagine that all this redacting has much to do with tender feelings towards the victims.
TheVat
Valued Senior Member
No matter how hard capitalism tries to shed its dark history of slavery and owning people generally, you can still purchase (a) people, and (b) the law looking the other way. And (c), silence. My hope for the future is that it's getting harder to buy top quality (c).
There might be value in starting litigation to keep applying pressure, but one has to imagine that neither Trump, nor the GOP, will be in power in 2028 (fingers crossed!). As such, the max delay that the current administration can achieve might only be a further 3 years. That's assuming a Dem President will have a compliant DoJ and FBI on the matter of releasing the details. The only options to ensure continued non-releases/non-disclosure might then be to either guarantee that the GOP are never out of power (election rigging or cancellation, for example), or destroying the documents. The latter would only be possible if the files are not already too decentralised, and let's not consider the former, as the Epstein files would be the least of the concerns.
Some of the investigations would have been during Biden's term, no?
The FBI and police were ignoring tips about Epstein and the content of lawsuit activity directed at him dating all the way back to the Clinton era. Negligence with regard to crime reporting is one thing, but that kind of apathy with respect to the other is commonplace. The allegations against Trump are grounded in civil litigation attempts. While the current DOJ is indeed responding as expected ("the accusations are false, exaggerated"), unconcern about the ingredients of these complaints and testimonies was in effect during prior administrations (including Biden's). The landscape of civilian disputes (we said / they said) doesn't provoke much attention from higher echelon authorities.
https://www.courthousenews.com/eigh...-investigate-sex-abuse-tips-as-early-as-1996/
EXCERPTS: In 1996, FBI agents began receiving credible tips that Epstein was trafficking young women and underage girls, but failed to interview victims, respond to tips or arrest the “pedophile billionaire,” the women said. That year, Maria Farmer and her sister Annie reported to the New York Police Department and the FBI that they, along with other minors and vulnerable young women, had been sexually abused by Epstein and his co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell.
“In response to the call by Maria Farmer, the FBI ‘hung up’ on her and did nothing to investigate the report,” the women said.
Between 1996 and 2005, the FBI continued to receive reports of sexual abuse, trafficking and human rights violations, yet failed to act, the women say. In 2002, Epstein was given secret service clearance for travel to Africa, where he travelled with former President Bill Clinton — according to testimony by former Epstein pilot Larry Visoski — and several “very young women.”
[....] It wasn’t until July 2006 that the FBI opened its investigation, after Florida’s Palm Beach Police Department received a report that a 14-year-old girl was recruited to Epstein’s mansion for a sexual massage in exchange for money. The police department alerted the FBI of likely child prostitution after it received the report in March 2005.
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https://www.aol.com/articles/tried-smear-donald-trump-claims-193000464.html
EXCERPT: “So, look, it’s not about President Trump. It’s about a ton of people, multiple, multiple people that were - quote - ‘in the Epstein files,'” Blanche told Bash.
The DOJ has disputed claims involving Trump, describing various Epstein-related allegations as “untrue and sensationalist.” The DOJ also warned that portions of the material contain false and exaggerated claims about Trump.
“Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election,” the DOJ wrote. “To be clear: the claims are unfounded and false, and if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already.”
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Polls dating back a decades have shown that the overwhelming majority of Trump voters were not only aware of the multiple allegations against him--including his own admissions, of course, knowingly and unknowingly (hot mic)--but that most also believed that at least some of them were true.
IOW it would have been pointless to "weaponize" such since his supporters couldn't care less.
Also, just further evidence that "they"--they being, well, pretty much everyone within the federal government; I mean, Biden and Garland sure weren't doing shit, nor were their predecessors--couldn't care less about the victims here. To suggest otherwise would be a truly extraordinary claim, requiring some serious evidence to back such an absurdity.
Yah, but it's a general lack of interest over the decades with respect to horror items appearing in civil cases or court filings for litigation (not unique favoritism for Epstein and his circle of colleagues through multiple administrations). Though when it comes to direct reporting of crimes to police, many magnates and celebrities doubtless are privileged with respect to authorities ignoring various asserted incidents. An excuse for that might be that socialites regularly receive a high volume of complaints and accusations made by opportunistic individuals and disgruntled groupies. But still, in the mix there probably are valid accounts that should have been pursued. Leaving the neglected victims with only the civil route to take.
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Wizard of Whatever
Registered Senior Member
These Are the Epstein Files, It's Not Fucking Funny
Because of course J.K. Rowling↱ is in the files.
And, look, sure, we all get that whatever happened it was somewhere down a ladder and away from the author herself. At least, we hope and thus presume, because who the hell invited Epstein in 2018?
Later, it will be recalled as the "Acosta effect". The idea that anybody saw fit to put that kind of prestige on inviting Epstein because it would be good for publicity, in April, 2018, ought to be insane.
Because of course J.K. Rowling↱ is in the files.
And, look, sure, we all get that whatever happened it was somewhere down a ladder and away from the author herself. At least, we hope and thus presume, because who the hell invited Epstein in 2018?
Later, it will be recalled as the "Acosta effect". The idea that anybody saw fit to put that kind of prestige on inviting Epstein because it would be good for publicity, in April, 2018, ought to be insane.
TheVat
Valued Senior Member
I did a fact check (and anyone imputing that I did this to cushion Rowling or for any reason other than my -and my avatar's- fondness for verified facts please just go bugger yourself now) and found that Epstein's name appeared on an invitation list for the 2018 Broadway opening of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, but the evidence suggests this was a template invitation facilitated by a publicist rather than a direct, personal invitation from Rowling. I suggest that dogpiles on public figures whose views we find distasteful be done for those odious actions we can prove. In this matter, I find JKR's denial to be credible. I would also advise a good faith Google search, "fact check Rowling Holocaust denier" as well.
In culture wars, the first casualty is always the truth.
In culture wars, the first casualty is always the truth.
While I appreciate the nod to the original aphorism, is it really the case? Culture wars don't destroy the truth, just the audience for it. I mean, the truth is the truth, surely (unless it's a purely subjective matter). Culture wars can be selective with them, reframe them, but they don't really destroy them. What is destroyed first, I think, is the will of the audience to care about whether something is true or not. Such apathy doesn't make a casualty of truth, it, at best, makes it "missing in action". Probably something that Chuck Norris would repeatedly go looking for in a movie franchise of increasing ridiculousness.
I am not a philosopher but might/does this distinction apply?While I appreciate the nod to the original aphorism, is it really the case? Culture wars don't destroy the truth, just the audience for it. I mean, the truth is the truth, surely (unless it's a purely subjective matter). Culture wars can be selective with them, reframe them, but they don't really destroy them. What is destroyed first, I think, is the will of the audience to care about whether something is true or not. Such apathy doesn't make a casualty of truth, it, at best, makes it "missing in action". Probably something that Chuck Norris would repeatedly go looking for in a movie franchise of increasing ridiculousness.
Analytic–synthetic distinction - Wikipedia
(I didn't know it was a "thing" until till now)
What is the truth if we are determined to hide it ?
If the truth is not captured in the moment is it too late to retrieve it?
(plenty of powerful people around cynically manipulating public opinion-to a willing audience on the face of it)