The End Hollywood

North Cali Sammy

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I believe the entertainment industry will be changing dramatically in the near future. AI is evolving rapidly. All that will be needed in the near future is a script and a list of archetypes to produce a movie or show. The question I have is whether or not the audience will connect with AI characters.
 
I'm thinking anyone who knows how to write a screenplay will be able to produce their own movie with the assistance of AI. Technology, such as the PC and the Internet, opened doors for the average man and woman. I see AI as a major evolution, opening more doors for self expressions.

Your thoughts?
 
I'm thinking anyone who knows how to write a screenplay will be able to produce their own movie with the assistance of AI. Technology, such as the PC and the Internet, opened doors for the average man and woman. I see AI as a major evolution, opening more doors for self expressions.

Your thoughts?
A screenplay does not a production make.

And a production does not a screen film make.

They'll be able to produce films for YouTube, sure. But the silver screen market won't get bigger. It just means there will be even more frustrated filmmakers out there.




Oh. You see this as a good thing. Oops.

Well, AI doesn't make better screenplays. I'm not sure it helps mediocre screenwriters write better screenplays either. Maybe.

OK, it's a tool that helps. A bit like spellchecker did years ago.

All things start off as doable only by the experts and big dedicated corporations. All such things get cheaper and easier and commoditized.

Web dev used to be doable only by programmers. Now it's a commodity.
Photo manipulation > Photoshop.
Music > sampling/MIDI/autotune.
3D printing > home printers.
 
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I'm not certain we understand each other. If you had written a screenplay then fed it into an AI that generated the visuals and audio, would that empower more people to do the same? Imagine the plethora of content that would be generated around the world.
 
I'm not certain we understand each other. If you had written a screenplay then fed it into an AI that generated the visuals and audio, would that empower more people to do the same? Imagine the plethora of content that would be generated around the world.
Oh, I thought you meant AI helping write the screenplay
 
If you had written a screenplay then fed it into an AI that generated the visuals and audio, would that empower more people to do the same? Imagine the plethora of content that would be generated around the world.
Yes, of course it will empower more people. Any new tool that opens a market to hobbyists will do as much. Anything that reduces barriers to entry will result in more people entering that market.

The movie industry has had barriers to entry, mostly financial. New CGI blockbusters cost $200m+. Imagine being able to do something of the same visual and aural quality for $1m. Or $100k. Or $10k.

And as those barriers drop further, more and more will of course enter the market. And the market will develop, and ideas of what makes a good film will change.

Heck, if all you had to do was plug in a screenplay and a genre into the AI, I'd be writing screenplays now and trying it out.
But those with money behind them will nearly always be able to produce better looking and sounding stuff. AI may even save Hollywood. The idea of bankable actors will die out. Initially the well known actors will be scanned, the AI using their likeness, and that will help promote some films ahead of those with generic AI faces. Especially as the acting by the AI gradually improves, such that real voice-acting is still initially preferred. But as AI improves, actors will no longer be a requirement other than for stage/theatre. Everything else will be AI. People will get used to not seeing the same actor in film after film, although whoever makes the films may create and copyright certain models/faces that they then reuse if they do well with the audience.
So lots of things will change. Jobs will disappear. New ones will be created. Hollywood will still leverage the tech to stay ahead of the competition in terms of quality, until such time as money offers no advantage over Joe Bloggs' ability to produce films.

But more and more films will be produced the easier it gets. And wading through the rubbish will become harder. Even now, on streaming platforms, it takes a while to find out which films are of better quality. Now triple, quadruple the number of titles. You'll still be drawn to certain studios almost as a stamp of quality. At least for a while. Until the independents catch up in quality. But new ways of identifying the better quality will arise.

That's been the way things have happened in any industry where barriers gradually drop.

But we're a while away from such happening yet. AI is clearly improving at a rate of knots, but barriers still exist, and will do for the foreseeable, as the power and tech required to run such AI will always be at the top end of things.
 
I'm not certain we understand each other. If you had written a screenplay then fed it into an AI that generated the visuals and audio, would that empower more people to do the same? Imagine the plethora of content that would be generated around the world.
YouTube has generated a plethora of content but there is still limited good content. Movies would be no different.
 
YouTube has generated a plethora of content but there is still limited good content. Movies would be no different
As AI evolves its' abilities will increase and eventually it will put most if not all, including the writers. of present movie production out of business. Editors may survive.
 
That's not a given and AI is being tossed around a lot when there really isn't currently much "I" involved. You can make any statement about anything and say that something eventually will happen. It either will or it won't but it's an easy prediction.

One day everyone will have a private jet, unlimited money, and the streets will be paved with gold...eventually (I predict).
 
Might fall into what's called the Uncanny Valley. I suspect this will keep flesh/blood actors employed quite a while longer.
 
That's not a given and AI is being tossed around a lot when there really isn't currently much "I" involved. You can make any statement about anything and say that something eventually will happen. It either will or it won't but it's an easy prediction.

One day everyone will have a private jet, unlimited money, and the streets will be paved with gold...eventually (I predict).
Quite. So far all we have is a number of specialised AI applications, e.g. for interpreting medical scan images, plus LLMs. These, according to Prof. Emily Bender, are no more than "stochastic parrots", with no understanding of the meaning of the text they read or write:

The whole AI arena is full of hype and bullshit to draw in investors. It's just like the dotcom bubble. There is good stuff of course, but nowhere near what is being claimed by its promoters - or assumed by the general public.

It will be quite some time before any decent quality movies can be made by AI, if it ever happens - though in the meantime we will get masses of YouTube shit, of course.
 
AI and robotics will evolve. They will take over a whole lot of areas of the economy. It's is better to prepare for this than to deny it.

Think how much better it would be if we had prepared for climate change when it was first proposed.
 
Software has enabled many more people to record music too. As such, we now have a whole lot more music. Probably the same ratio of good to bad as there has always been. It can make the good music harder to find due to the sheer quantity available. I suspect video will be the same.

I also suspect AI will produce a lot of lowest common denominator dreck.
 
Software has enabled many more people to record music too. As such, we now have a whole lot more music. Probably the same ratio of good to bad as there has always been. It can make the good music harder to find due to the sheer quantity available. I suspect video will be the same.

I also suspect AI will produce a lot of lowest common denominator dreck.
All well said.

Auto-tune is the devil. But then again, so are bicycle shorts under skirts*.

*due the Theiss Titilation Principle.
 
It will be quite some time before any decent quality movies can be made by AI, if it ever happens - though in the meantime we will get masses of YouTube shit, of course.
There are some truly great shorts about cats. They are what the internet and AI were destined to produce.
 
Quite. So far all we have is a number of specialised AI applications, e.g. for interpreting medical scan images, plus LLMs. These, according to Prof. Emily Bender, are no more than "stochastic parrots", with no understanding of the meaning of the text they read or write:
Yes, I had mentioned Bender and her catchphrase recently in a thread over at the dot net site. Which, ah, I see now, you started. My guess is that we will need film critics of the wet brain variety more than ever, and they will be kept busy pointing to what is derivative and/or schlock. A lot of dull movies are already made by human hacks who don't know how to create original art by bending or breaking a few rules. Unless there is true AGI, which can understand how to break rules or subvert expectations, and how to feel the conflicts of the human heart, machine generated film will stay down at the barrel's bottom with cat videos and basic cable channel pulp.
 
Yes, I had mentioned Bender and her catchphrase recently in a thread over at the dot net site. Which, ah, I see now, you started. My guess is that we will need film critics of the wet brain variety more than ever, and they will be kept busy pointing to what is derivative and/or schlock. A lot of dull movies are already made by human hacks who don't know how to create original art by bending or breaking a few rules. Unless there is true AGI, which can understand how to break rules or subvert expectations, and how to feel the conflicts of the human heart, machine generated film will stay down at the barrel's bottom with cat videos and basic cable channel pulp.
There was a profile of Bender in last weekend's edition of the FT, which I read with interest. She is scathing about LLMs, seeing the associated AI hype partly as another dotcom bubble to lighten the wallet of gullible investors and partly as the latest part of a larger, baleful effort by the tech bros to control even more of human interaction than they already do:

"When Mark Zuckerberg suggests that there's a demand for friendships beyond what we actually have and he's going to fill that demand with his AI friends, really that's basically tech companies saying 'We are going to isolate you from each other and make sure that all of your connections are mediated through tech' ".

Creepy or what? Still, I suppose it's a bit encouraging that Zuckerberg's last "metaverse" idea has proven to be such an expensive turkey. Perhaps Zuckerberg is in fact too nerdy to grasp properly what most people actually want - let's hope so anyway.

As for film, I quite agree. I'm sure AI will soon be able to churn out bad, mind-stultifying, unoriginal movies at a fraction of the cost of real ones. But good movies will still need proper actors, screenwriters and directors; I don't see AI producing Oppenheimer for example. One fears that the bulk of movie studios' income could be derived from the former, though, in which case movies may become like bread in the UK: 95% made by the cheap, quick Chorleywood process, producing cheap but dull, indigestible stuff - and making good bread into a rare speciality commanding high prices.
 
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