Tavistock Gender Clinic

[Sweet Moonshine]

Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my post. This topic contains some disturbing information about a current gender experiment being conducted by Tavistock and Portman. Before I continue with the topic subject, I would just like to make it known that I currently have a ‘transgender’ child who is awaiting their first appointment with Tavistock. Although I am strongly opposed to their experiments - there are some complications involved - in particular when it comes to pressures involving local authority ‘support workers’ and the like who have done things behind my back like buy binders and keep prompting the subject to my child quite unnecessarily.
There is a lot of controversy, but for the moment I’d like you to consider the following written work by myself with some questions at the end. I don’t mind if you’re not an expert on the topic but any ideas from anyone who can give me their thoughts will help. Also, I will have to split this post up into separate posts because the text length is too long.

Gender Experiment by Tavistock and Portman versus Nuremberg Code Interpretation.

With notes compiled by Kodie Moon.

(1)The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be
so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

(1)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

Most of Tavistock’s subjects are autistic. Children as young as three (perhaps two) have been referred there. They have no interest in adult subjects (unless one takes into account the hidden subjects i.e., emotions and behaviour of parents). There has been deceit (bare in mind only from what I know and I’m no expert here), on account of them providing additional medication without explicit consent nor full available data.

(1)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

’Our children are struggling to know how to live in today’s world. Unprecedented numbers are being diagnosed with mental health disorders, medicated, or are facing a crisis of identity. For nearly a hundred years the Tavistock and Portman has been at the forefront of exploring young minds.‘

(2) The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

(2)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

The notion that a transition from either sex to the other is false. The term ‘transition’ so often used by Tavistock and clients is not a definitive term in the sense that there is no transition to the opposite gender, it just looks that way. The word is highly misued. Given that the notion is one put out there by an experimental body, for which subjects are put through highly unnecessary procedures under the guise of treating gender dysphoria and therefore originates out of misconduct (I mean, if you go to the Doctor to present a spot on your face and the doctor begins looking downstairs then he would be in a lot of trouble), then these experimental subjects are not in the interests of society.

(2)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘The Tavistock’s gender service is the country’s only NHS-run gender clinic for children and young people with gender dysphoria – a profound distress caused by feeling they’ve been born into the wrong body. With transgender issues and stories rarely out of the news, the gender specialists have seen a 100% rise in referrals, but still understand very little about why children feel this way. Led by Consultant Psychologist Dr Polly Carmichael, the gender team have to decide whether or not to prescribe controversial drugs to children and teens.’

(3)The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

(3)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

I’m sure I’ve read more than once that this experiment has never been tested on animals.

(3)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘While one mum must grapple with losing her daughter, she must also give consent to give 11 year old Matt hormone blocking drugs to stop him becoming a woman.’

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

(4)The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

(4)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

The experiment in no way achieves this. Transitioned people kill themselves, before treatment parents are mentally bereaved. Subjects have been injured chemically, whereby statistics have seen a rise in suicidal thought following hormone blocking treatment.

(4)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘We try to help young people and their families cope with distress, and to reduce it. We aim to understand the obstacles standing between young people and the development of a more settled and confident gender identity, and to try and minimise any negative influences from these obstacles.‘

(5)No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

(5)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

The statistics show a rise in death. The increase in transitions show an increase in sterilisation.

(5)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘Our preferred route of referral is through a local Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS), who will have completed their own holistic assessment.

‘However, we do also accept referrals from other health, social care, and education professionals, including directly from GPs. Unfortunately, we are unable to accept self-referrals from young people or their families.‘

(6)The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

(6)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

This is where the lack of regard for these subjects become clear. Tavistock remove children’s genitalia in order to treat an anxiety issue.

(6)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘If you are asking about why you are questioning your gender or why you feel that you are transgender, then the honest answer is we do not know exactly why this happens to some people. There are lots of ideas and theories about why but when it comes to something as complicated as gender identity nothing explains things 100% for 100% of people. What we can say is that there are likely to be a lot of different factors that shape you as a person. Your biology, your personality, your life experiences and thousands of other things all add up to make you you.‘

(7)Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

(7)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

Genital mutilation.

(7)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘As a service, we keep in mind the different ideas and theories people may have about why they feel a particular way. It’s impossible for us to have one theory as we see so many different people, with so many different experiences and hopes. In some families, different family members will each have different ways of understanding things. Rather than trying to work out who is right and who is wrong, we value all of the different ideas that you and your family might have, and will think about which ideas are going to be most helpful in supporting you.’

(8) The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

(8) The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

(8)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

It’s unfortunate that this interpretation will sound like a pun, but sick/not fit for practice.

(8)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘Many young people tell us that they are less interested in why they might have a particular gender identity, and that what matters more is getting the right help or support for them and their future.‘

(9)During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the experiment seemed to him to be impossible.

(9)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

When the body acclimatises to the amount of melatonin (hypnotic), induced by cross sex hormones, or discontinues medication, the subject becomes aware that a reproductive organ is missing, or has a flashback about childhood dreams such as fairytale wedding where supposed bride/groom were asab (the assigned sex at birth) because, in the subjects haste to follow a whimming trend, forgot about childhood thoughts and dreams and then realises their mistake as soon as the neurons for those previous memories make a new memory.

(9)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

Whatever anyone thinks, we believe that you (you, 2-16 year old) have a right to feel or identify the way you do and you have a right to be supported (be given experimental and controversial medicine and invasive surgery) in this, whether this changes or stays the same.‘

However, it must be added here, that just as the word ‘transition’ is untrue to which Tavistock places its’ context, the word ‘detransition’ is the same. Tavistork are unable to replace a real, healthy and working reproductive system and ‘transition’ from either gender to the other is untrue.

(10)During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

(10)NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation

In the even that the concern is death or disability, there might be a larger than average chance that the subject would never be able to reproduce, a bit like when a fisherman throws a tiny fish back into the sea.

(10)The Tavistock and Portman Interpretation on causing children to become sterile and their practice of child genital mutilation:

‘Prejudice and stigma often result from a lack of understanding, a lack of knowledge, or from misinformation. Many people simply do not know much about what it means to identify as gender-variant or trans. This can lead them to make assumptions and to over-generalise and say, “I’ve heard that all trans people are like *this*”. Sometimes when there are very strong stereotypes around about a particular group, those individuals can sometimes start to believe the stereotypes too. At times, this can mean that trans and gender-variant people also have thoughts or beliefs which are negative towards trans people. They can also develop very fixed ideas about how to be transgender or gender variant, as if there is only one way to do this even if this doesn’t quite feel right for them. This can then lead to people feeling ashamed about their gender identity and unhappy with themselves.‘

["Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10", Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949.]

Some notes, from BBC News, on the outcome of HRA investigation, what the HRA said and Tavistock and Portman’s welcoming remarks:

An official review by the HRA into the conduct of the study, has cleared the researchers of any wrongdoing.

It found that researchers worked "in accordance with recognised practice for health research" adding that in some areas they were "ahead of normal practice at the time".

The Tavistock and Portman Trust welcomed the findings. A spokesperson said: "The early intervention study was undertaken after nearly a decade of consultation with international experts, was fully approved by a research ethics committee and has followed good research practice."

(Please note that before each of Tavistock and Portman’s interpretation, a reminder has had to be put to keep the reader focused upon the fact that the issue lies within child genital mutilation and causing child sterility. Their lengthy explanations have the power to make many people forget the issue at hand - along with the fact that there is no mention of sterility and mutilation).

Q.1) Do you suppose that the reason that the Gender Experiment for kids has not been forced to a close is because of Tavistock’s lengthy wording which does not include notes about child sterilisation and mutilation? Do you think that the wording itself could be hypnotic for the majority to read?

Q.2) It’s quite clear to me (not because of my own interpretations), but generally, that the gender experiment by Tavistock and Portman breaks the Nurenburg code. Is this code legally binding and if so, to whose notice can it be put so as I, along with many others can help to put a stop to this experiment?

Concerning section (9)THE NUREMBERG CODE vs The Tavistock Gender Experiment Code - Interpretation: melatonin is an increasingly prescribed medication for young people with sleep issues - particularly for children with autism. I am aware that the melatonin medication will be more likely to be prescribed by a GP, nevertheless, I know of at least one very young child in Australia who had been prescribed melatonin and then sent to the gender clinic for a full transition.

Also, any child about to undergo such extreme treatments, I feel, should have the best understanding as they can into what is about to happen... I mean since this treatment is in no way necessary.
Their explanations as to what they do and why they do are so long, with no mention of genital mutilation or child sterilisation, that the average person who is already not affected by this is satisfied? - that their questions as to why Tavistock and Portman are continuing with this experiment have been answered. In their lengthy statements, posted on numerous websites, they frequently use words such as ‘transitioning’, which does not define accurately because the thing in many peoples’ mind is a change to opposite sex. They use words like ‘must’ give consent, ‘must’ forget about their child’s asab (assigned sex at birth) and though I am still looking into how their wording has afforded them the privilege of child abuse, there are other things that I’m starting to ‘see’ about their wording formula.
Cigarette packets have warning labels on them. If their explanations, or communicative jumble of words has the effect that they are getting away with these serious crimes, then at the very least they should be made to say at the end of paragraphs and in between, rather than that their aim is to help young children and explore their minds etc, but that the child will have an operation, will not be able to have kids. The child should even be shown an image or video of an operation so as they know what it is. So that, while explaining to the parent and child pre-procedure (including for those having ‘breathing space treatment), the ‘professional’ should have a pointer, stick, cane whatever and be able to point to various stages of the operation taken from a real life scenario (not diagram).

Q.3) Being your average person, unsure of how much time I have left before this monster of place gets hold of my child, is there a way that I can get my questions considered and answered by an authority who is big enough to deal with this?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my post.

‘While one mum must grapple with losing her daughter, she must also give consent to give 11 year old Matt hormone blocking drugs to stop him becoming a woman.’

is the parent the patient ?
or
is the child the patient ?

a parent makes a life sacrifice by choosing to have a child.
both genders ideal males and obliviously females

your feeling of need to set up an emotional position prior to posting the subject, while fairly normal to most people. is also a sign of the emotional investment you have in the content of those whom participate.

you may wish to try and remove your own emotional welfare and rules from the issue to find a different range of data.

you cant separate the person from the patient or the patient from the disease/disorder/condition, however all medical professionals have learnt and taught techniques to do so in a fashion to deliver better outcomes for the person.

i am guessing you are busy typing out the other half of your post currently.

obliviously, anyone with half a brain can simply read the bias in your position and simply exclude that from their opinion as required.
however, most common people are unable to exclude their own bias when they feel an affinity toward a pre-defined emotional condition.
thus you being a victim and being the mother of a victim

keep doing what your doing, just keep that on the side as you will need to use it like a de-coder device to extract the true quality data out of the human aspect.
such is the weirdness of the human condition.

Staff quit NHS clinic over ethics and safety fears

5 staff who all decided if children should be given hormones have quite and now blaming the clinic for the decisions they have been making... ?


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...t/news-story/64070d01d65613809de4312a17731c7d

Mum fights gender experiment

• Bernard Lane
  Roving editor, leader writer, data journalist
  
  
• 12:00AM October 14, 2019
• 10 Comments

London’s beleaguered Tavistock youth gender clinic faces litigation aimed at protecting a 15-year-old autistic girl from puberty-blocker drugs with unknown long-term risks.

The anonymous mother of the girl, said to be suffering “gender confusion”, has reluctantly put her on the waiting list for the clinic

a parent is suing the clinic currently

but believes treatment would be unlawful because her daughter cannot give informed consent.

munchausen by proxy ?

informed consent ?
like putting her child in the car and belting them in with a drunk driver saying
"chery-oh"
"have fun"
"i didnt have any choice"

are we trying to validate and transfer the guilt of the parents to use it to beat the government with while all those making all the decisions get told they too were victims of an autocratic system that is not run by humans ?

what an awful mess

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

is the parent the patient ?
or
is the child the patient ?

a parent makes a life sacrifice by choosing to have a child.
both genders ideal males and obliviously females

your feeling of need to set up an emotional position prior to posting the subject, while fairly normal to most people. is also a sign of the emotional investment you have in the content of those whom participate.

you may wish to try and remove your own emotional welfare and rules from the issue to find a different range of data.

you cant separate the person from the patient or the patient from the disease/disorder/condition, however all medical professionals have learnt and taught techniques to do so in a fashion to deliver better outcomes for the person.

i am guessing you are busy typing out the other half of your post currently.

obliviously, anyone with half a brain can simply read the bias in your position and simply exclude that from their opinion as required.
however, most common people are unable to exclude their own bias when they feel an affinity toward a pre-defined emotional condition.
thus you being a victim and being the mother of a victim

keep doing what your doing, just keep that on the side as you will need to use it like a de-coder device to extract the true quality data out of the human aspect.
such is the weirdness of the human condition.

Hello. I see what you’re saying but I think (still trying to figure out but my last post explains). My view sounds bias because I am using the REAL terms for the act of removing child genatalia in order to treat a mental issue. I am Mum. This is the biggest issue I have encountered, that when I try to alert people to their crimes, they assume that it’s I who is in the wrong, because I am the one using the distasteful words for which describe the actuality of the gender experiment.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

and here we have the front line

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news...ns-people-seek-help-to-return-to-original-sex

Hundreds of Young Transgenders Seek Help to Return to Original Sex

Martina Moyski • ChurchMilitant.com • October 7, 2019 12 Comments
Talking about it perceived as 'transphobic' by LGBT community

NEWCASTLE, England (ChurchMilitant.com) - Growing numbers of young trans people regret gender reassignment surgery and are being shunned by the LGBT community.

One trans rights activist from the United Kingdom recently reported that hundreds of transgender people, many from the Newcastle, England, area, have contacted her about regretting their gender reassignment surgery.

Twenty-eight-year-old Charlie Evans said that after she made her own de-transition public, she has been approached by "hundreds" of trans people seeking to undo their sex-change decision.

According to Evans, they petitioned her to speak out or to help them find support for their efforts to de-transition. Evans observed that those who have approached her are mostly female, same-sex attracted and often autistic.

Evans herself was on the verge of having her breasts removed before she canceled the surgery and stopped taking hormones.

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

informed consent ?
like putting her child in the car and belting them in with a drunk driver saying
"chery-oh"
"have fun"
"i didnt have any choice"

Quite. And in really the whole thing will be over my dead body (no bias intended) but I mean before then, I just hope that lots of people can come together to stop them.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

My view sounds bias because I am using the REAL terms for the act of removing child genatalia in order to treat a mental issue.

you own the right to refuse surgery on the child

parents subject the child to their own adult mental ability

do parents sell off their accountability to other adults as a form of normalisation of proxy guilt to become a victim to validate their own intellectual lazyness with ? yes often
VERY often
is it ok ?
not in my opinion because it opens the child up to exploitation from cults and manipulative people and organizations.


personally putting my ideal hat on,

• i think surgery and hormones should be well after puberty.

• surgery should be after 25 years old once the frontal lobes have finished developing, however i have not discussed the psycho-socio-neuralogical issues with a professor of neurology and a psychological anthropologist who specializes in gender[so i have no fixed opinion])

• hormones should be after 20 to avoid suicide and uni polar & bi polar issues and other hard driven personality dysfunctional aspects.(ideally but given exceptional circumstances then maybe after 17yo)

(life threatening disease/conditions of the glands etc organs not withstanding as most young teen girls and boys realize they will never standardly sexually reproduce off spring children and that is the trade off for being alive, i have been frieds with 1 or 2 such people and their medical support from professionals is 99.99% awesome[much higher statistic than the average person going into a medical clinic])

the clinic was built and approved by the UK Conservative party in control ?
is this a political issue of the NHS ?
or an independent child welfare issue that is non partisan ? (ideally)


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/23/child-transgender-service-governor-quits-chaos
Jamie Doward
Sat 23 Feb 2019 20.37 GMT

The trust running the country’s only NHS gender identity service for children is under fire for dismissing a damning internal report that branded it “not fit for purpose”.

Marcus Evans, one of the governors of The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust has resigned, after accusing its management of having an “overvalued belief in” the expertise of its Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) “which is used to dismiss challenge and examination”.

Evans’s decision to part company with the London-based trust, after a 35-year association, will intensify scrutiny of the service which has found itself in the eye of a storm as thousands of young people considering transitioning to another gender seek its help.

Some parents who contacted the Observer have accused the service of “fast-tracking” young people into changing gender, a charge strongly rejected by the service.

Conversely, it has also faced complaints of lengthy waiting times for access to its services and drawn-out assessment periods which the service insists are crucial to understand a person’s needs.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

NOTE as mostly always on the internet..
there are a few conservative trolls whom will be angling a way to use you and your child as ideological cannon fodder to try and build a little alter around for others to prey at.
Exploitaion for Personal Ego gain by a sado-masachistic dictator masquerading as an alarmed moral champion.

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

Hi. Personal account: I think that she was in school when they first got hold of her. My 13 year old girl came home to me one day and said suddenly: ‘I want to be a boy.’ In my fear for escalating her new idea, I went along with what she was saying and pretended to accept. I am now aware that schools have been openly advertising the trans trend, after advice given by lottery funded Mermaid Organisation, in order, they say that other trans kids don’t get bullied. Let me just tell you that at 13 my Daughter was still having issues to remember how to spell 3 letter words: no amount of raising this fact could gain the notice of professionals involved with her education. She was dragged through a normal curriculum, then suddenly, still at the age of 13 she completely stopped going to school. I homeschooled after that of course. It’s just typically with kids who encounter these thoughts my Daughter too developed quite serious behavioural issues. In the end I had no choice but to seek help, due to my own personal circumstances. Fast forward a year, she was 14 years old. Her support workers who her Father had helped her to get bought her a chest binder without my consent and another said he would take her to Tavistock if I won’t. In meetings these people bring up words directly related to being transgender. Most of the time she had not mentioned being trans for months. Another year goes by, my child is 15 and almost old enough to give her own consent, after being brainwashed and groomed up for this Tavistock place for God knows how long. Again she hasn’t mentioned being trans in a while but she’s still 15 and has issues with learning which have not been officially recognised. Support workers argue that she is able to talk to them and sounds intelligent so she is intelligent enough to make her own choice. I know that that’s rubbish!

 

[RainbowSingularity]

my Daughter was still having issues to remember how to spell 3 letter words:

were you working a 40 hour week at the time ?

15 and has issues with learning which have not been officially recognised.

you have not forced extra tuition support for her to learn the basics ?

I know that that’s rubbish!

due to my own personal circumstances.

Her support workers who her Father had helped her to get

you are separated but not divorced, the father has been in another relationship for some time(cheated on you with his current partner?)
you have had maybe 1 or 2 steady boyfriends since.

how close am i ?

sounds like an ideological custody battle via ideologies of the parents played out through the child.

the personality issues and gender issues are separate
however because of the battle of role models and what sounds like some heavy gender stereo types being introduced somewhere to the child
the child is now in a split personality mode between gender identity and personal psychological independence with an issue around not having a solid un biased adult role model to model a norm to.

autism on top, simply complicates things up a few magnitudes.

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

No. I am a full time parent. Extra tuition was not available. I was told that, they didn’t say why. They offered a TA in normal class hours. This is and was a school branded outstanding. However, I would often go over the basics with her. She forgets them and had/has a short fuse when asked to think about simple maths and english questions. They said that she learns in very short bursts.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

No. I am a full time parent. Extra tuition was not available. I was told that, they didn’t say why. They offered a TA in normal class hours. This is and was a school branded outstanding. However, I would often go over the basics with her. She forgets them and had/has a short fuse when asked to think about simple maths and english questions. They said that she learns in very short bursts.

i will be back a bit later.
how many other children and what rough ages are they ?


sometimes nothing is easy
even doing nothing seems not easy
and taking it easy seems like trying to hold on to nothing

 

[spidergoat]

There might indeed be legitimate issues with this institution:
Governor of Tavistock Foundation quits over damning report into gender identity clinic
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/23/child-transgender-service-governor-quits-chaos

 

[spidergoat]

Of course, there are transgender children, they have legitimate needs, and these issues have to be handled with skill and sensitivity.

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

you are separated but not divorced, the father has been in another relationship for some time(cheated on you with his current partner?)
you have had maybe 1 or 2 steady boyfriends since.

No. We were what you might call an ‘odd’ couple. I have been celibate for a very long time.

Children are older now and I have always had full parental responsibility.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Extra tuition was not available.

at the risk of getting personal, the parent matters to the child which is the only reason i mention it
i assume you had a mental break down
possibly late diagnosed post-natal depression and suffer anxiety or panic attacks ?
possibly lingering depression with low level meds ... ?

i think post natal depression is a huge under recognised issue in modern society's.

generically your daughter sound bi-sexual

it is normal for bi-sexual women to flip flop between personality models of gender centric mental paradigms

however, added on top of that
autism
learning disorder created by something or intensified by something
what is possibly a bit of a messy break up of parents through her 8 to 112 year old period... ?

and consequential interactive relationship behavioural dynamics of siblings creating a behavioural frame work.


anger issues playing out probably mirroring you or the father
as a direct copy of behaviour or a reaction to the opposite behaviour

remember this is an open board, anyone can read what ever you write/post

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

‘Of course, there are transgender children, they have legitimate needs, and these issues have to be handled with skill and sensitivity.‘

The word transition thrown around by Tavistock is not a definitive term for the full gender treatment that they offer. A full op means that the child is left genderless, forever, since the word detransition also has no real meaning in the context that Tavistock, even those against Tavistock often put it.

A person can and does think like the opposite sex, which to me doesn’t really mean a lot because the thinking is the same.

I read a study some time ago that said a lot of kids develop what one might call temporary schizophrenia. They think in different voices. Perhaps if one of those voices is one which is mostly of the opposite sex, that might convince the child that they are born into the wrong body. Either way, the issue is one of the mind.

 

[spidergoat]

Children don't get sex change operations. The most I've heard of are drugs that delay puberty. You can still have a puberty if you change your mind.

 

[Sweet Moonshine]

NHS child gender reassignment 'too quick'
By Laurel Ives BBC Health

• 25 February 2019
  
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Image captionReferrals to the Tavistock Centre have risen by 400% in five years
England's only NHS youth gender clinic is too quick to give children and young people gender reassignment treatment, a former governor has said.

Psychoanalyst Dr Marcus Evans, who resigned last week, told the BBC's Today programme he had been concerned about clinicians searching for "quick solutions".

"This is the opposite of what needs to be done," he said.

A director of the Tavistock Centre rejected his claims.

Dr Evans resigned from his post as one of the governors of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust last week following an internal report that branded the Tavistock Centre "not fit for purpose".

On Monday, he told Today: "Adolescence and childhood is a time when people are developing socially and biologically - a time when young people are identifying with different groups, and with male and female aspects of themselves.

"There is pressure from the child who is in a distressed state, there is pressure from the family and the peer group and from the pro-trans lobbies - and all of this puts pressure on the clinician who may want to help the individual to resolve their distressed state by going along with a quick solution.

"There is a lot at stake here as these decisions have far reaching consequences."

Dr Evans called for more external oversight of the Tavistock Clinic.

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Over the past five years, the number of children referred to the Tavistock Centre has risen from 468 to 2,519 a year, a rise of more than 400%.

And Dr Polly Carmichael, director of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) at the Tavistock, accepted the centre was under pressure.

But she said: "The service has really long assessments over periods of time, with the specific aim of allowing young people to think about what is right for them.

"We've been under pressure for years from people that think we should go faster and now a more critical voice has emerged."

The centre now plans to use a recent research grant to study outcomes for all patients, whether they are prescribed medication or not.

The Department of Health says it has no plans to introduce an independent regulator.