Survival

[Chagur]

Okay, iszlq ...

You drew me out of my comfortable little 'just watch the madness' hole by making another one of your off the wall statements. Not the one you made regarding the need for weapons, but rather the following:

That in no way prohibits PRIVATE groups outside the affected nation from helping in the fight, however.

Just thought you might want to read about a 'private' group that tried to help: the Abe Lincoln Brigade. I suspect you've never heard of them so I've included a URL.

Might want to take a few minutes to read a little history that isn't too terribly old.

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/abe-brigade.html

Enjoy

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Answers???

I'm still trying to answer some basic questions in my own life, let along answer for my fellow species? But since I'm absessed by the future, and I don't see much movement for answers yet, I wanted to start a dialog. I'm figuring that somebody here will talk about this subject to their friends & then a 'bright' person will come along and get that 'lightbulb' going, then........????????
I hope that's not wishful thinking, since even if no one on Sciforums agrees on anything now, who knows???
My only theories on where the answer might come, are more body-mind & sports-psychology based.
Mostly, because I was trained in some of the concepts that underlie 'recreation therapy'; 'flow' ( an idea by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi ), empowerment, having fun while learning, game & sports-oriented learning. And since I had to minor in psychology for that, I noticed that humans can be 'mob' oriented, such as violence, peer pressure, belonging, sports & religious fanatics. We do things because everybody is doing it; let's talk fashion, styles, cars, computers. Let's look at sports fans; some live & die for their teams, talk about nothing else, tattoos, heroes.... Hey everybody "Let's do the wave!!!"

 

[Chagur]

Randolfo ...

Do you want to survive?

Or feel good while you're surviving?

They're not the same thing!

 

[kmguru]

Hey Randolfo:

I think, I understand. First I have to fix the economy (see my other post), then I have to setup a system that teaches people how to take care of themselves. Then hopefully the knowledge will liberate us all. Have patience...

(Note: When I say "I", that means, I contribute to the Think Tank, I work for)

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Re: Randolfo ...

Originally posted by Chagur
Do you want to survive?

Or feel good while you're surviving?

They're not the same thing!

I want to do more than survive; I want to live, learn, & love!!! And if you can stand one more 'l-word', listen; to music, birds, stories, poems, small talk, childen, discussions & laughter!!!



I live a comfortable, middle-class American life, the problem for me is that the future looks bleak, we use too much 'clunker' technology, ideas, lifestyles, resources, etc.. to sustain our Western ways. Almost everything that we use, tears up our world; from cars that not just pollute, but use tons of resources to stay running, to the ag industry that feeds us, to simple things, like single use utensils. And this does not include lives; of our 3rd world slaves overseas, of the people here (both immigrants & native-born), that work backbreaking jobs until they are used-up, the homeless, the welfare-class, the druggies, alkies & mental patients, etc...

From what I see, at least in this Western country, we can not sustain this system for long, we need a breakthrough either in thinking or doing things that will make a difference for hopefully all of us.

 

[Chagur]

Oh Randolfo,

Well, I guess your being into the four 'L's rather than the four 'F's makes you more of a dreamer / romantic than a realist / doer. So I guess the only thing I can say is: Accept that you can't solve the problems of the world; decide which aspects you can personally change; connect up with those who feel similarly; and try to make a difference for those who mean the most to you.

Don't know what else to recommend.

Good luck.

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Re: Oh Randolfo,

Originally posted by Chagur
So I guess the only thing I can say is:

Accept that you can't solve the problems of the world;

decide which aspects you can personally change;

connect up with those who feel similarly;

and try to make a difference for those who mean the most to you.

Chagur, actually I like your ideas. If anyone thinks about it, these are the start of a good philosophy of being a change agent in society.

Also, as much as I hate to admit it, our 'Howard Stern' gave me several related ideas, a way to test our solutions to current problems. This is from a Star Trek post:

Originally posted by howardstern
Roddenbury's Startrek originally was written with the human condition in mind. The same kinds of struggles that 20th century mankind faced were reflected in the original series.

My ideas are:
1) to have a few of our writer friends post stories
or screenplays that deal with solutions to current
problems
2) have some Trekkers post names of 'zines or
stories that deal with these very problems
3) have some ambitious person or group try to
animate these stories, then post
4) submit these stories or screenplays for
publication after fleshing out the characters
5) talk with your friends, family & share some ideas

A little simplistic?? You bet, but we got to start somewhere!!!
Here's to the future!!! Cause on this pale blue dot, we're it!!

 

[wet1]

Gee Randolfo,
Those are not bad thoughts either. Actually, they sound like a step in the right direction.

 

[WildBlueYonder]

An Interesting Observation

Just thought this might be interesting for this thread:

HOWARDSTERN
Senior truth consultant

WHEN THE OPPOSING SIDES CARE MORE FOR THEIR CHILDREN....
WHEN THE OPPOSING SIDES CARE MORE FOR THEIR CHILDREN than they care to kill each other.........

Or when their children no longer carry the hate of their parents.


Many years ago, a young American girl wrote a letter (as a school project) to Mr. Gorbechov of the USSR. This is old cold wars days--now people.

I don't remember much about the letter except that the context of it was that she expressed to the Russian leader that she wondered (and worried) about growing up and having a family. The concern that was expressed to MR. Gorbechov was that she didn't know if she should even try to plan on having a family, if the USA & the USSR were just going to destroy the planet in a few years anyway!

The letter somehow made it's way to Gorbechov. And Mikail had grandchildren who were just about her age age at the time. It had it's effect. The was a marked change in attitude between the USSR & USA after that. The leaders realized that the opposing side had children who were innocent and unrespective of political borders. They (US & THEM) realized that we all are just holding the reins for a while, before we turn the Earth over to the next generation. It is NOT our right to destroy the World of our children. Who are we to assume the that every turn of the Earth depends on our moods toward those that we do not agree with.

That girl died in a plane crash, a year or so later. And Mikail Gorbechov publicly remembered it and sent a letter to her family, as I recall. AS I have lived through the times, I have often felt that she did much ......for world peace between two countries that were damn close to destroying the Earth.


The Jews and the Palestians. The fact is that they (both of them), hate each other more than they love their children. They must! Why else would they subject their children to the future that they are now laying out for them.....

Both sides believe in G OD!!!!!!!111111 AND they kill each other in the name of GOD! NO. Go over into the religious forums and listen to Tiassa & company, you'll find better christians there. At least Tiassa isn't out there killing other people in the name of GOD!! (or least I don't think that Tiassa is)??????

Not to be "shrink" about it, but it seems to me that the Jews & Palestians have become so used to hating one another that they wouldn't know what to do with their spare time, if the other were suddenly gone!

I think that they love to hate more than they love their children! Otherwise, they would bring an end to this FEUD.



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