crap in my inbox dear string again i support you on this incident with straw lets however look at this.... "In the thread on "Drones", I never made great claims of any kind." sure you did the distinction b/w straw's and your claim is merely technical all you are saying it was not direct, an intermediary was used the end result is the same, is it not? in your defense, you do present wiki's operation cyclone link. that alone substantiates your assertion. unfortunately you go on to throw some books in straw's face. that after you criticize straw's op-ed pieces as unsuitable source material you give us books without any indication as to what sources the author uses to make his and your point if i notice you doing that again, i will make it an issue such laxity in research, such sloppiness, will not be tolerated in here i am sure you will agree with me, ja?