Yeah, it was a "stuff up".
The real value was 500 meters and has nothing to do with what I like or don't like.
Oh, and one doesn't need a doctorate to realize how wrong 500 km was, just a modicum of common sense.
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Yeah, it was a "stuff up".
The real value was 500 meters and has nothing to do with what I like or don't like.
Oh, and one doesn't need a doctorate to realize how wrong 500 km was, just a modicum of common sense.
Of course it does, the impact will be expected to be higher the closer you are to the cameras.
And of course the study itself says that crash data was ONLY collected within 1 km of the cameras:
Crash data were collected for all crashes occurring up to 1km either side of the cameras.
So clearly the 2 values they are reporting on were 500 m and 1 km.
Not 500 friggin kilometers.
Arthur
And of course the study itself says that crash data was ONLY collected within 1 km of the cameras:
Crash data were collected for all crashes occurring up to 1km either side of the cameras.
So clearly the 2 values they are reporting on were 500 m and 1 km.
Not 500 friggin kilometers.
Arthur
The effect IS greater less than or equal to 1 km. 0.73 at <= 1km and 0.69 at 500kms
Hense proving a GENERAL effect that you have discounted inspite of evidence that you would see if you could READ
Umm do you actually know what a cochrane review is? Its NOT 1 study its meta resurch of a compliation of (in this case) 35 different studies all with different peramiters. God sake, actually do a bit of your own resurch and you wont look like such an idiot
Asguard you shouldn't call people Idiots as it will always come back and bite you in the ASS.
The figure in question, and my quotes about the data collection distance being out to 1 km were from the specific study they were mentioning:
So I know its a meta research study, but the data we are discussing was in fact from just ONE study.
Now go back, read it, and then come back and apologize.
Oh, and if you don't want to look like an idiot, you might want to learn how to spell simple words correctly.
It's RESEARCH, not resurch and it's PARAMETERS, not peramiters.
Arthur
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so where does that mention 1 km? infact what you quoted DIRECTLY contradicts what you previously stated.
The CI shows the data overlaps, and thus there is no statistical significance between .69 and .73 (And the bands were Cumulative, meaning the 1 km band included the reductions in the 500 m band)
Arthur
No it doesn't.
There were cameras placed NATIONWIDE: 62 fixed speed cameras, 57 speed sites, 61 speeding sites.
But each individual camera study only included data on crashes out to 1 km.
2 cumulative distance bands: 500m, 1Km.
These reductions were comparable for all monitored lengths e.g. up to 250m, 500m and 1 km.
Arthur
Well I'm happy to report that Arizona is doing the right thing.
Arizona to eliminate speed-enforcement cameras on freeways
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/06/20100506arizona-to-eliminate-speed-cameras.html
Arizona to eliminate speed-enforcement cameras on freeways
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/06/20100506arizona-to-eliminate-speed-cameras.html
<sigh> good luck getting the apology. He calls people names as a way of trying to teach them something
:shrug:
I believe that if they changed the speed limit to 80 mph, or even 85 mph, many people would start driving at 90-100 mph. Most people (foolishly) rate themselves as better than average drivers (based largely on the "illusion of control" cognitive bias), so when they see a posted speed limit, they see that as the speed limit for people like you, the average driver, it's only a guideline for a superior driver like themselves. As soon as a significant fraction of drivers start thinking that, others who were on the fence see people blowing past them, so they speed up too. Eventually the late adopters see a lot of people blowing past them, and it becomes clear that it would be safer to speed up to be a speed bump for the people zooming around you, so they speed up.
I suspect you'd be better off posting *no* speed limit and letting people know they will be ticketed for creating unsafe driving conditions (either by driving too fast or too slow to the traffic conditions, including the speed of your fellow drivers).
I was only suggesting the higher speed limit on the open road if they are going to use traffic cam speed control. I don't care how good people feel they are at driving and neither do the cameras. Stiff fines will increase revenue and discourage excess speed. Also on the open road they shouldn't have any cam warnings. Let people see where they are when they get the ticket in the mail. Probably some system of moving the cameras around would be most effective.
That was tried in Montana. Didn't work.
I recieved the following email today at 10:58 but can't seem to find the post in this topic. But I will answer it anyway.
When you get the ticket, they also include a picture that clearly shows who's behind the wheel. Not any guess work about who was driving.
When you get the ticket, they also include a picture that clearly shows who's behind the wheel. Not any guess work about who was driving.
You can tell who this is from a speed camera?
I may not be able to tell. But I'll bet who ever gets the ticket in the mail will know who it is, and it's up to the registered owner of the car to prove they weren't driving. If they are successful at that, they will be asked who the driver was and where they can be contacted. With the right responses you can get out of paying the ticket, but they don't make it easy on you to do that. The picture you get will be a frontal shot straight through the windshield.
Here's how I know what I know. Many years ago I was visiting a friend in Tucson. He does have a drivers license but because of eyesight he just barely qualified for it. He needed to go to Phoenix and asked me to drive his car. Neither one of us knew about the cameras, anyway sometime after I left, he got the ticket in the mail. Even showed me the picture. He had to show them his drivers license and convince them he didn't know where I could be contacted, which he did.