south korean woman record, was she cheating?

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sifreak21

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http://cbs4.com/sports/Korean.Tops.Himalayas.2.1659149.html

theres the story

I do think she is cheating by using oxygen true mountain climbers dont.. and tbh using oxygen in mountain climbing is like setting any sport record with steroids.. or like one climber said, using a motor cycle in the tour de france

My opinion is not such because she is a woman if it was a man id have the same reaction.. its because she uses oxygen when you bring oxygen in it gives you a HUGE advantage and is all really down to fitness
 
maybe I'm missing it but I don't see where it says she used oxygen in the link you provided.
 
I don't consider it cheating to use oxygen when climbing in the "Death Zone" (which is all of the peaks on the list here). You will die if you stay at those altitudes too long without oxygen, and so essentially all climbers use supplemental oxygen in those regions. The situation is more that those who forgo oxygen are crazy, than that those who use it are "cheating."

And I don't see any indication about her using oxygen in the article, either.

Moreover, mountaineering is an equipment-intensive activity, so it seems sort of futile to declare certain types of equipment "cheating." Why does oxygen count as cheating, but not the employment of sherpas, or use of crampons and ice axes, or the wearing of fancy down body suits, etc.? I say use whatever equipment you see fit: people always have, and stuff like motor vehicles and pack animals do not function in that environment anyway.

If there's a reason to disqualify high-altitude mountaineers as cheaters, it would be the fact that they almost entirely climb on tours guided by sherpas wherein they haul themselves up safety ropes that the sherpas installed earlier in the season. Most of these people are high-fitness tourists rather than genuine mountaineers. Oxygen is a minor concern compared to the fact that all the crucial decisions and planning for the expeditions, as well as all of the really dangerous work, are carried out by paid tour guides. Oxygen seems like an afterthought in that context.
 
Yeah -- bottled oxygen doesn't seem like much of a performance enhancer as much as it is gear that improves your chances of not dying. More analogous to a roll cage for your race-car, not nitrous oxide injection.
 
Cheating would be using an elevator, to my knowledge I don't think any mountains have been fitted with them as of yet. (well none the climbing ones, maybe the ski slopes)
 
As far as records are concerned, there are separate records for climbing Everest (say) with and without oxygen.
 
James R said:
As far as records are concerned, there are separate records for climbing Everest (say) with and without oxygen.
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Yeah, but spend too long at that altitude without it, and most folks lose some IQ.

Is it worth climbing Everest without Oxygen therefore? I think not.
 
phlogistician said:
Yeah, but spend too long at that altitude without it, and most folks lose some IQ.

Is it worth climbing Everest without Oxygen therefore? I think not.
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everast is an exception the last 1000??? feet or so is impossible for the normal human to live so you need oxygen


but in the news paper article said on all of her climbs she used oxygen, this is cheating in the mountain climbing workd because it gives you a huge advantage around the same advantage as seroids in sports

the lack of oxygen is a hurdle you ahve to overcome with oxygen you just remove that hurdle. with oxygen anyone on this forum thast fit enough could climb a mountain, without oxygen unless your a mountain climber 100% of us would fail, so yes using oxygen is cheating in the mountain climbing world..

if you cant make it up to the top - everest without oxygen you didnt train properly
 
sifreak21 said:
but in the news paper article said on all of her climbs she used oxygen, this is cheating in the mountain climbing workd
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Have you ever climbed a mountain?

I have, and I think you are talking bollocks.

Spending time at altitude, with the atmosphere being that thin, causes brain damage. Using Oxygen is NOTHING like using Steroids.
 
phlogistician said:
Have you ever climbed a mountain?

I have, and I think you are talking bollocks.

Spending time at altitude, with the atmosphere being that thin, causes brain damage. Using Oxygen is NOTHING like using Steroids.
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all the great mountain climbers have brain damage right? wrong if you train properly your body will beable to handle the stresses if it caused major brain damage the guy who has climed everest 6 times or more would be mentally unstable

and YES if you spend time at altitude with OXYGEN you DONT have brain damage there are many many many more mountian climbers that have done much more than she ever will that have no brain damage and yes if you were an avad mountin climber you would know that oxygen gives you a huge advantage and makes the climbs much easier
 
well...depends how fast you climb in the dead zone of Everest/K2 and how long you remain in the oxygen deprived area, potentially you can do it without damage and without oxygen.
 
I fail to see how this is cheating I do not think that using oxygen to scale a mountain is cheating. If she was climbing the worlds lowest peaks I would say yes she was cheating. But these mountains that she was climbing as others have said are in the Death zone near the summit. You need to have Oxygen at that height to live saying she was cheating is like saying a air racer that uses a G suit is cheating when they can race with out the suit and be fine.
 
Grim_Reaper said:
I fail to see how this is cheating I do not think that using oxygen to scale a mountain is cheating. If she was climbing the worlds lowest peaks I would say yes she was cheating. But these mountains that she was climbing as others have said are in the Death zone near the summit. You need to have Oxygen at that height to live saying she was cheating is like saying a air racer that uses a G suit is cheating when they can race with out the suit and be fine.
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you no nothing about mountain climbing thats why you dont see it as cheating... go to the ocean run a mile time it.. go to ohh 15000 feet run the same mile time it if you can actually make it the whole mile.. not put oxygen on at 15000 feet and time that mile thats why its cheating..

people have done it without oxygen so can she but she doesnt want to train hard enough or properly
 
sifreak21 said:
you no nothing about mountain climbing thats why you dont see it as cheating... go to the ocean run a mile time it.. go to ohh 15000 feet run the same mile time it if you can actually make it the whole mile.. not put oxygen on at 15000 feet and time that mile thats why its cheating..

people have done it without oxygen so can she but she doesnt want to train hard enough or properly
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So I gues Sir Edmund Hillary cheated too when he climbed everst with oxygen then. So I guess that record should not stand either then?
 
sifreak21 said:
agreed
im not sexist so the fact that this guy is a male isnt going to change my thought on the subject
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Well it has now become obvious that you have never climbed a mountain of any significant height. Or any mountain at all for that matter on a mountain such as everest Oxygen is required with out it you die. The only cheating that maybe taking place is cheating death be thankful there are no personal attacks allowed in this forum as I am sure there are many that would love to say some choice words to you...
 
If what James R said in post 6 is true that the records indicate oxygen use vs non use then there is nothing to discuss further.Only if these facts were hidden from the public would there be a problem.
 
Grim_Reaper said:
Well it has now become obvious that you have never climbed a mountain of any significant height. Or any mountain at all for that matter on a mountain such as everest Oxygen is required with out it you die. The only cheating that maybe taking place is cheating death be thankful there are no personal attacks allowed in this forum as I am sure there are many that would love to say some choice words to you...
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Agree'd, Grim. He obviously knows very little about the human body, our planet and mountain climbing.
 
Yes, she was cheating.
And I'm doing my best to get Jacques Cousteau crossed off the list of famous people due to his cheating.
Why couldn't he have just held his breath? Dolphins manage it...
 
how was she not? come on guys... oxygen gives the mountain climber a huge advantage did she still climb the mountain? yes... steroid useres still play the sport to but its cheating because it gives them a significant advantage so saying oxygen should be allow is the same as steroids should be allowed in sports
 
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