Skin Color and the Origin of Ancient Egyptians

valich said:
Welcome back Chi. This forum is highly intellectual and accurately substantiated. Read all of the posts by Chatha first.
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Is that condenscending or what? With the tone your using I'm actually surprised that you expect Chi to even be able to read.
 
If you people would bother to read the posts from the other thread, you would see where all your points have been refuted.

Worse of all is the Kemet = Black's Land nonsense. No, all scholars know that it means black land as in SILTED land from FLOODS.

But no, I don't suppose you really consider these things in depth...

Anyway - this conversation is fruitless. Again, even lacking the respect of going to the other thread for the information...
 
Prince_James said:
If you people would bother to read the posts from the other thread, you would see where all your points have been refuted.

Worse of all is the Kemet = Black's Land nonsense. No, all scholars know that it means black land as in SILTED land from FLOODS.

But no, I don't suppose you really consider these things in depth...

Anyway - this conversation is fruitless. Again, even lacking the respect of going to the other thread for the information...
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Mister Jamie,

I believe Ancient Egypt was mixed, and I can believed they were even white, but to be totally honest with you that believe is just because of hollywood movies and the general media depiction. There are some fundamental reasons why I choose to have doubts, and the reason is because these reasons have never been fully determined. For one thing, you can save us time and money by simply answering these basic questions, we don't have to go to another thread for this...and you don't have to either.

These are the questions

Who were the original settlers of all Kemet?

Where and when did caucasians come into the picture?

Was there ever a power struggle for political identity?

How did Upper Egypt survive without Nubia?

Try to convince me by answering these questions as concisely as you can. This is not a racial thread, though some scholars throw some racial annotations at it. It has always been a racial topic for some. Did you know that Upper Egypt was escavated long before Lower Egypt, in fact parts of lower Egypt has never been escavated till today. Why? Because of stupid reasons. I personally love white people, however its very hard for me to picture an ancient Egyptian with blonde hair. Nonetheless I believe like most people that they were white, I never questioned what kind of white exactly, just accepted that they were white. You can refute me otherwise by just answering those four main topics.
 
Alright everybody I have the age old answer to this riddle. They were indeed "Michael Jackson" black. Studies show that they were once black, only for them to change to white after their Hit...civilization.
 
I have decided to NOT write in these links any more .... the statements are becoming more and more " fanatical " ................

Anyway ... SCIENTIFIC research has shown this :
The southern ancient Egypt had a population of mixed Negroid/Europoid origin
with an overweight of Europoids
The northern ancient Egypt had ALSO a population of mixed Negroid/Europoid
origin , with a massive overweight of Europoids ............

So - it was a BROWN population .... OK !!!
 
Ganymede said:
And here's the face of a Modern Ethiopian Girl. Blacks come in all shades, from Light Brown to dark. Not just Dark. I had to post this before Prince James said the Pharoh was actually White.

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Ganymede .... the people of Ethiopia believe themselves to be the ancestors
of the Israelis - beeing CAUCASIAN WHITE PEOPLE ..........

From : "The church of Abyssinia" 1928, by Harry. M. Hyatt : page 22 :
" When Mr. Benito Sylvain, an educated Haitian of wealthy parentage but a negroe , approached Menelik II ( Emperor of Ethiopia ) offering him , presumable because he was thought to be a negroe , the honorary presidency of a program for the amelioration of the negroe , the Emperor
approved of the project but added , " You know , I am not a negroe at all; I am a caucasian" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Genetical testing supports their claim !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

And Ethiopian people look like tanned caucasian/arabians , just like your photo suggests !!!

But even worse , I spend a lot of time in Ethiopia , and when American black people came - or Rastafarians - claiming Ethiopia to be the unconquered
black country , and the last Emperor: Ras Al Tafari ( Rastafari) ) = Haile Sellasie , beeing a divine beeing ...... Then my Ethiopian friends were laughing at them (behind their back ) !!!!! Black negroes they called them .... Ethiopians today think of themselves as WHITE !!! - and mocks black people coming to visit them in Ethiopia - They will , NOT tell you this in your face if you are black ... they want your money as a tourist - but I have had several discussions with Ethiopian people about this ..............
Very, very sad ............

Sorry Ganymedes - I am crushing your believes !!!!!!!!!! :(
 
Chatha said:
what about Americanoid?
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Merry X-mas to you Chatha !!!

There is NO such thing as an Americanoid, in a scientific discussion of this topic ..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take care Chatha ...... :)

WOW - you now got 1000 posts - con gratulations !!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Sputnik said:
Ganymede .... the people of Ethiopia believe themselves to be the ancestors
of the Israelis - beeing CAUCASIAN WHITE PEOPLE ..........

From : "The church of Abyssinia" 1928, by Harry. M. Hyatt : page 22 :
" When Mr. Benito Sylvain, an educated Haitian of wealthy parentage but a negroe , approached Menelik II ( Emperor of Ethiopia ) offering him , presumable because he was thought to be a negroe , the honorary presidency of a program for the amelioration of the negroe , the Emperor
approved of the project but added , " You know , I am not a negroe at all; I am a caucasian" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Genetical testing supports their claim !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

And Ethiopian people look like tanned caucasian/arabians , just like your photo suggests !!!

But even worse , I spend a lot of time in Ethiopia , and when American black people came - or Rastafarians - claiming Ethiopia to be the unconquered
black country , and the last Emperor: Ras Al Tafari ( Rastafari) ) = Haile Sellasie , beeing a divine beeing ...... Then my Ethiopian friends were laughing at them (behind their back ) !!!!! Black negroes they called them .... Ethiopians today think of themselves as WHITE !!! - and mocks black people coming to visit them in Ethiopia - They will , NOT tell you this in your face if you are black ... they want your money as a tourist - but I have had several discussions with Ethiopian people about this ..............
Very, very sad ............

Sorry Ganymedes - I am crushing your believes !!!!!!!!!! :(
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You're right,they sure look like Caucassians to me!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_(people)


I will respond momentarilly to your Genetic claims as well.
 
Ganymede said:
You're right,they sure look like Caucassians to me!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_(people)


I will respond momentarilly to your Genetic claims as well.
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Ganymede ,

I have acces to all old sources on this topic in our archives here , as well as all results from new research ....

I have NO doubt , that you will be able to find some "obscure" afrocentrist link , " prooving ", whatever you what to proove ........

As I said - I do not want to write in these threads anymore - they are not scientific .... but fanatic only .......

I really do not care - merry X-mas to you Ganymede ....... When did you visit Ethiopia last time ???

Still - my regards to Chatha - take care ...... :)
 
Chatha said:
Before then it was called Kemet, meaning land of black. How you can say they were red is questionable. Are you familiar with Human geography at all?
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Kemet : meant the black land of the black silt from the river nile .....
NOT the the land of the black people ..........

WHERE do you people get your knowledge from !!!!!!!!!!!!

:eek:
 
Samcdkey - you are the mod here !!

I am simply giving up now !!!!!!!!!!!!
If they were my students - they would NOT pass their exams ...........

THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST IN THIS THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!
 
This is from a blog, so I don't no how accurate it is.
Ancient Egyptian dental pattern
posted by Dienekes on Wednesday, December 07, 2005
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Ancient Egyptians had simple, mass-reduced teeth. This contrasts with the dental pattern of Sub-Saharan Africans who had (Irish, 2000) massive complex teeth:

Dentitions of Late Pleistocene Jebel Sahaba Nubians have extremely high frequencies of complex, mass-additive (and other) traits, including UI1 labial curvature, UI1 shoveling, Bushman Canine, UC distal accessory ridge, midline diastema, sixcusped LM1, LM2 Y-5, and LP1 Tome’s root. Furthermore, they exhibit low frequencies of typical North African features. This trait combination is ubiquitous in sub-Saharan Africans (Irish & Turner, 1990; Irish, 1993, 1997, 1998a,b, for details).

From the new article:

However, all 15 samples exhibit morphologically simple, mass reduced dentitions that are similar to those in populations from greater North Africa (Irish, 1993, 1998a–c, 2000) and, to a lesser extent, western Asia and Europe (Turner, 1985a; Turner and Markowitz, 1990; Roler, 1992; Lipschultz, 1996; Irish, 1998a). Similar craniofacial measurements among samples from these regions were reported as well (Brace et al., 1993).


And from Hanihara et al. a different study which shows the same Caucasoid affiliations of the Egyptian dental pattern. Thanks to the reader who pointed this out.



Am J Phys Anthropol. 2005 Dec 5; [Epub ahead of print]

Who were the ancient Egyptians? Dental affinities among Neolithic through postdynastic peoples.

Irish JD.

Qualitative and quantitative methods are employed to describe and compare up to 36 dental morphological variants in 15 Neolithic through Roman-period Egyptian samples. Trait frequencies are determined, and phenetic affinities are calculated using the mean measure of divergence and Mahalanobis D(2) statistics for discrete traits; the most important traits in generating this intersample variation are identified with correspondence analysis. Assuming that the samples are representative of the populations from which they derive, and that phenetic similarity provides an estimate of genetic relatedness, these affinities are suggestive of overall population continuity. That is, other than a few outliers exhibiting extreme frequencies of nine influential traits, the dental samples appear to be largely homogenous and can be characterized as having morphologically simple, mass-reduced teeth. These findings are contrasted with those resulting from previous skeletal and other studies, and are used to appraise the viability of five Egyptian peopling scenarios. Specifically, affinities among the 15 time-successive samples suggest that: 1) there may be a connection between Neolithic and subsequent predynastic Egyptians, 2) predynastic Badarian and Naqada peoples may be closely related, 3) the dynastic period is likely an indigenous continuation of the Naqada culture, 4) there is support for overall biological uniformity through the dynastic period, and 5) this uniformity may continue into postdynastic times.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=16331657&dopt=Abstract
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search/label/Caucasoid
 
Sputnik said:
Samcdkey - you are the mod here !!

I am simply giving up now !!!!!!!!!!!!
If they were my students - they would NOT pass their exams ...........

THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST IN THIS THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!
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Before you run with your tail in between your legs. Can you please explain why the Negroid Genes are dominant in these Caucassains? I couldn't find ANY scientific proof from non White Nationalist sources that support your Ethiopia is White Theory?

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Ganymede said:
Before you run with your tail in between your legs. Can you please explain why the Negroid Genes are dominant in these Caucassains? I couldn't find ANY scientific proof from non White Nationalist sources that support your Ethiopia is White Theory?
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You must be lying then, I just googled caucasoid ethiopians any found MANY websites, and none of the ones I actually read seemed very Euro-centrist
 
Oniw17 said:
You must be lying then, I just googled caucasoid ethiopians any found MANY websites, and none of the ones I actually read seemed very Euro-centrist
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Mitochondrial Eve

Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) is the name given by researchers to the woman who is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor for all living humans; the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in all living humans is derived from hers. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of the Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor.

The holder of this title is believed by some to have lived about 150,000 years ago in what is now Ethiopia, Kenya or Tanzania. The time she lived is calculated based on the molecular clock technique of correlating elapsed time with observed genetic drift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

This proves the first Modern Humans evolved in Ethiopia. And every Scientist is in agreement that the first people were Black. So if Modern Humans first evolved in Africa/Ethiopia, what color would that make them?



Blood Groups

It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding.24 It would be interesting to study the extent of Group A2 distribution in Egyptian mummies, which present-day techniques make possible

http://www.africawithin.com/diop/origin_egyptians.htm
 
It is interesting that Kemet derives from Khem, Cham, Ham, and Kush was a son of Ham, both of whom ranged widely, Kush throughout the Middle East, northeast Africa, and the Hindu Kush, and Ham throughout the Med (Chronus) and the Far East (Cambodja).
 
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