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Wizard of Whatever

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The Buddhists say desire is bad. The Christians say lust is bad. Neither is right. It is false desires or lusts that are bad. They produce false restrictions and compulsions, and in many cases perversions.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
The Buddhists say desire is bad. The Christians say lust is bad. Neither is right. It is false desires or lusts that are bad.
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Oh, some "true" lusts can lead to bad behavior as well.

It's not desire or lust that is inherently bad. It's what you do after feeling them that matters.
 
В православии слово "грех" переводится, как "ошибка". Т.е. грешник - это не какой то плохой человек, а человек "заблуждающийся". По аналогии с компьютером: человеку в сознание поместили ложную информацию, из-за которой он совершает ошибки. Как сказали бы сейчас - человеку привили неправильные паттерны поведения.

Человек, страдающий похотью, в православии называется "блудник", что переводится, как "заблудший", "заблудившийся". Есть даже такое выражение: "блудник грешит против своего тела". В древние времена это, наверное, было особенно актуально. Тогда венерические болезни не лечились, и блудник мог перезаражать всё племя. Возможно, из-за этого тогда и были такие строгие законы за блуд. Это элементарно было связано с выживанием.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
The Buddhists say desire is bad. The Christians say lust is bad. Neither is right. It is false desires or lusts that are bad. They produce false restrictions and compulsions, and in many cases perversions.
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If you argue a strawman, I guess you can come up with whatever conclusion you want. :rolleyes:
To wit, Buddhism does not say "desire is bad". Buddha actually says that craving is the source of suffering. There is not much concern with "bad" in the typical religiously moral sense. It is all about consequences and what leads to more/less suffering.
Craving is described as compulsive, and the need to cling to that thing. The three main types of craving seen as the source of suffering: pleasure, permanence, and annihilation, all stem from ignorance with regard impermanence. At least according to Buddha.

So not only does Buddhism not state a blanket "desire is bad", but already limits it to "cravings" (what you seem to describe as "false desires), and to matters of "suffering". So, yeah, very much a strawman on your part with regard Buddhism, presumably based on ignorance that even a little Google-fu could help eradicate.

As for what Christianity says, "lust" is already considered a "false desire" - or more precisely a "disordered desire". There are no "good lusts" (or maybe you'd care to name one?). So Christianity is already limiting the "desires" in the way you claim they are not.
Basically it's just muddled thinking/language on your part, but maybe there's a hint of strawman in this part as well. Until you clear up the former, I'll reserve judgement on the latter, though.
 
IN THE SERMON ON THE MOUNTAIN JESUS SAID THAT PERSISTANT LOOKING AT A WOMEN MEANS ADULTERY, and
the cure is to blind yourself, not castration. THE ALTERNATIVE IS HELL.
He gives a free pass to the singles though,-- looking or being looked at.
Peter was rooting for "new Heavens and new Earth", were righteousness is to dwell.
The Christian religion is to modify behavior. imho
 
beil said:
IN THE SERMON ON THE MOUNTAIN JESUS SAID THAT PERSISTANT LOOKING AT A WOMEN MEANS ADULTERY, and
the cure is to blind yourself, not castration. THE ALTERNATIVE IS HELL.
He gives a free pass to the singles though,-- looking or being looked at.
Peter was rooting for "new Heavens and new Earth", were righteousness is to dwell.
The Christian religion is to modify behavior. imho
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Looking and being attracted is not necessarily false desire.
 
right, evolution has shaped our desires aka assessments to maximize survival success i.e. healthy strong sons. but Jesus, as the 10 commandments "( Though shalt not desire your neighbor's wife) focusses on family stability of the procreation progress.
Cudos to Indonesia, that has outlawed by government decree sex outside marriage. No broken families, single parent disasters, ST disease plagues or Family 'honor' killings.
Husband can go surfing without fearing a wave of assaults on the females in his charge.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
The Buddhists say desire is bad. The Christians say lust is bad. Neither is right. It is false desires or lusts that are bad. They produce false restrictions and compulsions, and in many cases perversions.
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Desire is important, healthy and good (when done right). Its absolutely required for the long term survival of our species. Its when the intention behind desire is negative, then its negative as well. Ive found very few religious men who have the long view for our species.

Some call sins, victimless crimes.
 
beil said:
right, evolution has shaped our desires aka assessments to maximize survival success i.e. healthy strong sons. but Jesus, as the 10 commandments "( Though shalt not desire your neighbor's wife) focusses on family stability of the procreation progress.
Cudos to Indonesia, that has outlawed by government decree sex outside marriage. No broken families, single parent disasters, ST disease plagues or Family 'honor' killings.
Husband can go surfing without fearing a wave of assaults on the females in his charge.
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Indonesia sounds awesome.

"Human rights abuses in Indonesia involve torture by security forces, particularly in Papua and Maluku, alongside severe restrictions on freedom of expression. Issues include systemic violence and alleged genocide against indigenous Papuans, corporal punishment in Aceh, discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals, and restrictions on religious freedoms."
 
billvon said:
A man who rapes a woman because of his honestly felt lust is no better than someone who does the same thing for other reasons (i.e. a desire for power over women.)
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Hopefully your choice of words is a typo, not a Freudian slip. If you ever have the trauma to witness such an event, like happens now, still in the warzones, you will not flinch to have the death penalty executed on the criminals.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Indonesia sounds awesome.

"Human rights abuses in Indonesia involve torture by security forces, particularly in Papua and Maluku, alongside severe restrictions on freedom of expression. Issues include systemic violence and alleged genocide against indigenous Papuans, corporal punishment in Aceh, discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals, and restrictions on religious freedoms."
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Sorry to hear that. Perhaps these post colonial excesses, prompted, in part the 'sex only for the married' law, to at least protect the young males and females.
 
This is interesting a) for suppressing valid comments, and
B) varying definition of "SIN" in various religions, even with a common root, the Abrahamic section.
 
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