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Olga said:
А если в США к власти придёт аналог Гитлера? Кто сможет ему противостоять, если мир будет однополярным?
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Some would say thats already happened.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Agree. Trump is bad but has a way to go to reach that level.
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Не только ему есть куда расти. Представьте, что Китай, к примеру, обладает оружием, которому нет аналогов в мире, и он может безнаказанно его применить. Или любая другая страна. Вот поэтому и нужна многополярность. Чтобы был баланс сил в мире.
 
Pinball1970 said:
America was great in WW2, for the UK Europe and the ROW, never underestimate that contribution. Brave boys and resources.
If Europe and the UK would have fallen who knows how that would have ended? We would have needed a bail out from Russia but they would have had a different scenario entering from the East if D day would have been repelled. A Russian loss? Disaster and a Nazi Eurasia, success? Disaster and an extended CCCP.
There are lots of other ways it was great. Europe was the center of excellence for science, look at where all the great physicists came from? The schools where they taught? Prior to 1930s?
Then the Exodus, when immigrants were welcome and the USA flourished as a result.
(It would have been awesome if that Jew, What's his face would have stayed in Manchester, a lot of bigots around at that time, we needed him)
While we were weaving black shirts and burning books, America was giving refuge to immigrants. That's pretty great.
I don't like literature that much but American art and literature is as important in the 20th century as European was in the 19th.
Cinema USA is number one.

Ok something I DO know something about. Jazz, rock and roll, Bill Hayley, Elvis (huge) Buddy Holly, Everly Bros(Brit invasion - in a nice way this time) Beach Boys, CSN, Mamas and the Papas, Hendrix, GFRR, The Doors etc etc.

That was a creative amazing two decades.

Politically?how about civil rights? Women get the vote? Ok you may not have been the first but you got there before us.

Yeah the US was AND can be great again
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What are common campaign themes in the UK? "Remember the 1800s, make us great again!"? I'm guessing it's usually more about the national health service, jobs and immigration?
 
Pinball1970 said:
America was great in WW2, for the UK Europe and the ROW, never underestimate that contribution. Brave boys and resources.
If Europe and the UK would have fallen who knows how that would have ended? We would have needed a bail out from Russia but they would have had a different scenario entering from the East if D day would have been repelled. A Russian loss? Disaster and a Nazi Eurasia, success? Disaster and an extended CCCP.
There are lots of other ways it was great. Europe was the center of excellence for science, look at where all the great physicists came from? The schools where they taught? Prior to 1930s?
Then the Exodus, when immigrants were welcome and the USA flourished as a result.
(It would have been awesome if that Jew, What's his face would have stayed in Manchester, a lot of bigots around at that time, we needed him)
While we were weaving black shirts and burning books, America was giving refuge to immigrants. That's pretty great.
I don't like literature that much but American art and literature is as important in the 20th century as European was in the 19th.
Cinema USA is number one.

Ok something I DO know something about. Jazz, rock and roll, Bill Hayley, Elvis (huge) Buddy Holly, Everly Bros(Brit invasion - in a nice way this time) Beach Boys, CSN, Mamas and the Papas, Hendrix, GFRR, The Doors etc etc.

That was a creative amazing two decades.

Politically?how about civil rights? Women get the vote? Ok you may not have been the first but you got there before us.

Yeah the US was AND can be great again
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??? I don't remember anyone burning books in Manchester, or anywhere else in Britain, in the 1930s.

But re this Jewish man you have in mind, was he a scientist or a different sort of intellectual? (I know Einstein was offered a position at Oxford - he was sponsored by Lindemann* - but went to the US instead.)

* Co-inventor with Hinshelwood of the Lindemann-Hinshelwood mechanism in reaction kinetics, subsequently ennobled as Lord Cherwell and Churchill's science adviser during the war.
 
Seattle said:
What are common campaign themes in the UK? "Remember the 1800s, make us great again!"? I'm guessing it's usually more about the national health service, jobs and immigration?
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Cost of living more than jobs these days, i.e. better jobs rather than jobs per se. Unemployment remains quite low (~5%), though there are "rust belt" type pockets of very high unemployment which are bad for social cohesion. The far right tries, falsely, to blame the cost of living on immigration, whereas it is more to do with leaving the EU and thereby crippling the export business of small and medium enterprises.
 
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exchemist said:
??? I don't remember anyone burning books in Manchester, or anywhere else in Britain, in the 1930s.
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I think he's just using the standard "Fascist Playbook" activities to allude to the prevalence of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists. The members used to wear black, and were known as "blackshirts". This is a good link for some of the detail: https://libcom.org/article/fascism-and-anti-fascism-1930s-manchester
But, yeah, no record of actual book-burning, by Mosley's group or any others.
 
Sarkus said:
I think he's just using the standard "Fascist Playbook" activities to allude to the prevalence of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists. The members used to wear black, and were known as "blackshirts". This is a good link for some of the detail: https://libcom.org/article/fascism-and-anti-fascism-1930s-manchester
But, yeah, no record of actual book-burning, by Mosley's group or any others.
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Oh yes I know about the Blackshirts, memorably sent up as the "Blackshorts" by P.G Wodehouse (the odious Roderick Spode being modelled on Mosley).
 
exchemist said:
But re this Jewish man you have in mind, was he a scientist or a different sort of intellectual? (I know Einstein was offered a position at Oxford - he was sponsored by Lindemann* - but went to the US instead
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Yes it was Einstein, he gave a lecture at the Uni in 1921, before he won the Nobel.
 
Watching the moon launch had me thinking that’s the kind of stuff making American great ( again). Don’t think anything Trump does can match it.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Yes it was Einstein, he gave a lecture at the Uni in 1921, before he won the Nobel.
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He was also offered the first Presidency of Israel. As a tin lid, (kid/child) I saw USA greatness in the history (TO ME) of the second world war, the making of the Atomic bomb and nuclear power, and their contribution in that war both in Europe and the Pacific. Then Hollywood and the movies, and the likes of Elvis, Buddy, Jerry, Connie, Patsy, Bill, Chuck and Ricky. Later their (the USA) greatness was evident in coming from behind in the space race, and the Moon landings, while admitedelly that was helped with European Immigration.
Obviously there are still glimpses of that greatness, but it seems that most of that has now been eroded, by a buffoon that has let that greatness go to his head, and treated friends as enemies, allies as foes, and dictators as friends.
I just hope the people of the USA can achieve that greatness again, and give the Orange buffoon a great kick up his big rump.
DaveC426913 said:
There doesn't have to have been an actual better time in the past in order to generate a widespread romantic sentiment of "the good ol' days". It's an appeal to emotion - appeal to an illusion.
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Yes, in many respects that is true. But remembering I speak as a non citizen of the USA, and observe that past greatness from a different position.
 
I'd guess for MAGA it would mean pre-globalism since Trump seems to be more a "Gilded Age" kind of guy with his tariffs and nationalistic thinking. So maybe before the 1990's (if not the 1890's) :)
 
Roosters for ever said:
Obviously there are still glimpses of that greatness, but it seems that most of that has now been eroded
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Yep. If we continue down this path, we are looking at a future where China and India lead the world, and we are reduced to the status of a Russia - someone who yells and carries on about how powerful they are, and who often faces sanctions for their latest geopolitical misadventure.
 
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