Show Me How The Big Bang Theory Is Not A Leap Of Faith

Perhaps it’s only people like us, with a religious background and studying science at uni who are thereby forced to work this stuff out.
I left school at 15.5 years of age, started my apprenticeship as a fiiter/machinist/welder almost immediately with ICIANZ (Imperial Chemical Industries of Aust and NZ) stayed with them for 27 years, then went to QANTAS and was 15 years with them. Never went to Uni, but always had an interest in space/astronomy/science and started reading appropriate books, Hawking's a Brief History of Time being one of the first and progressed from there.
 
I left school at 15.5 years of age, started my apprenticeship as a fiiter/machinist/welder almost immediately with ICIANZ (Imperial Chemical Industries of Aust and NZ) stayed with them for 27 years, then went to QANTAS and was 15 years with them. Never went to Uni, but always had an interest in space/astronomy/science and started reading appropriate books, Hawking's a Brief History of Time being one of the first and progressed from there.
My first job out of Uni was ICI Manchester.
 
I think it was the first time I tasted wine, I was more impressed with that than beer.
Welts on your arse could have been worse mate. 1970s Manchester I think we did ok, priests did ok, certainly my area anyway.
They were great in secondary school, away from the church, we could debate them.
I was taught by the Christian Brothers order, and we were fortunate enough to get one of our former Brother/teacher's at our 30th reunion. He was married with 5 kids! One of the good one's both at school when he was a Brother, and later in life when he gave it all up.
We still have our reunions, although obviously numbers have dropped. Five of us left to talk of the good times. Two out of us have lost our faith and are atheistic. At the last one, our 65th, just a few weeks ago, we were discussing some cosmology and the big bang. One of the three "believers" exclaimed, "but its only a theory!"
That got me going, and the three faithful were totally ignorant of how the Catholic Church hierarchy now viewed things like the big bang and evolution let alone ignorant of what a scientific theory entails.
Me? My faith started seriously waning not long after I left school. The other "non believer" lost his when his wife died of cancer at a young age.
 
We still have our reunions, although obviously numbers have dropped. Five of us left to talk of the good times. Two out of us have lost our faith and are atheistic. At the last one, our 65th, just a few weeks ago, we were discussing some cosmology and the big bang. One of the three "believers" exclaimed, "but its only a theory!"
That got me going, and the three faithful were totally ignorant of how the Catholic Church hierarchy now viewed things like the big bang and evolution let alone ignorant of what a scientific theory entails.
Me? My faith started seriously waning not long after I left school. The other "non believer" lost his when his wife died of cancer at a young age.
Yeah a mixed bag. My uni guys are all atheist, we discussed it at length when we were 20 or so.
School guys is a different matter, not something we talk about. Some still go to church and it is an important thing. I am sure it's not all about god, more about family, community, friendship.
 
Perhaps it’s only people like us, with a religious background and studying science at uni who are thereby forced to work this stuff out.
I am sure people find their own way through life events, a death, a birth, world events without all that stuff.
My sister did not do that and she pushed me fairly recently. "How did you get to atheism?"
Like I went wild at uni, became a hippy, smoked pot, read Marx and Kant then rejected god like it was part of my course.
I do not think she has ever entertained the thought it may not be true.
I tried taking about it once but realised I would have to break her mind then her heart to get through to her.
 
That appears to be much worse that Christianity in the states.

Reddit so not rock solid the numbers were around before social media.

"Denominational Breakdown
White Evangelical Protestants: About 64% reject human evolution entirely, stating that humans have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.
Black Protestants: Roughly 50% reject evolution, holding similar creationist beliefs.
Mainline Protestants: Rejection is much lower here, with only about 15% of white mainline Protestants rejecting the idea of evolution.
Catholics: Roughly 26% to 31% of white Catholics reject human evolution, meaning the majority accept that humans evolved over time."

Catholics (my ex tribe) did ok!
What percentage of atheists reject human evolution? I'm betting the atheists win on this.
 
Who were the participants and with what level of eduction?

I ask because I have come to realise most people simply don’t think about these things the way you and I do. They don’t have a science background or interest particularly and don’t trouble themselves with such questions. They go along with the imam, and watch the odd TV programme about dinosaurs, but simply never join the dots.
I think that a factor with some of these surveys is that people don't want to feel dumb as they talk to the person who is taking the poll. When they asked "What is your opinion on [issue or knowledge area they don't know much about]?" and are give four or five multiple-choice options, the answers the pollsters end up with are, to some extent, just an expression of people's gut feelings on the question in the heat of the moment.

Another factor is politicisation of scientific issues. If you're MAGA and all your friends are MAGA and you all voted for MAGA anti-science candidates in the last election, then chances are good that you've vaguely heard that believing in evolution is anti-MAGA or anti-Republican or anti-Trump. Why break with your in-crowd, especially over a topic you know very little about and which you've heard on the grapevine is an evil conspiracy of some kind? Nah. Far easier to say "I don't buy into any of that pinko communist bullshit science stuff!"

We also have to factor in the religious influences. If your pastor gives the occasional sermon on a Sunday about the dangers of being sucked in by lies spread by devil-worshipping atheist so-called scientists, then in the absence of any better information, chances are good that you're going to go with what the pastor told you when they survey you about your opinions.
Perhaps it’s only people like us, with a religious background and studying science at uni who are thereby forced to work this stuff out.
I don't think the religious background or the formal science education actually matters that much. What makes the difference is whether a person has developed skills in how to think critically about the information they receive (from whatever source). Good educators teach those skills, though mostly people acquire them more by osmosis and being exposed to an educational culture than because of explicit instruction. In my ideal world, there would be more explicit instruction about how to think critically. Of course, there are plenty of people and organisations that have vested interests in not encouraging the people they profit from to think critically.
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Having said all that, I should add that a lack of knowledge and/or education does not necessarily have to be entirely the fault of the person who lacks those things. It's okay not to know stuff about esoteric subjects like the theory of evolution.

What I find mildly annoying is when people pretend to know stuff they don't know. Probably a lot of that can be put down to the Dunning-Kruger effect. Some people just aren't bright enough to realise that they don't actually know stuff. A lot of those people appeal almost entirely to their own gut feelings and personal experience to decide what is true and what is false. Some are skeptical of experts and distrustful of authority figures, so they develop mental barriers that protect them from ever learning certain truths.

What I find rather more annoying is when people pretend to know stuff they don't know, while simultaneously being fully aware that they don't actually know the stuff. They have the arrogance to try to tell people who obviously do know the stuff how the world works. A subgroup of those people have the smarts necessary to work out what is true, yet they are seemingly uninterested in putting any effort at all into looking into information that might change their minds. Some of them are just lazy. But there is also overlap with the final group of people I want to mention.

Most annoying of all are the liars who have learned something about the stuff (perhaps by being educated out of the state of innocent misunderstanding or obliviousness), but who continue to preach what they know are lies. Those are the ideologues, the con men, the trolls, the sociopaths and the wannabe cult leaders.
 
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What percentage of atheists reject human evolution?
I'm afraid I had to Ai that one.

Looks like about 9-10% and cited "Pew Research centre" and "science and culture."

Further info stated "skeptical" rather than outright rejection.

It also said about 98% of scientists accepted the Theory.
 
It looks Kermos has finally left the building. Since he has had his lying arse handed to him on Cosmology in the religion section, perhaps he may try his hand at Evolution? "Why stupid Evolution is a leap of faith because science is stupid."
 
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