Should members of sciforums be required to post in English?

What should be done with members who post almost exclusively in a language other than English?

  • Nothing. Members may post in whatever language they like; readers can translate it.

    Votes: 1 5.3%

  • A gentle reminder at first, then official warnings if they continue to post in another language.

    Votes: 9 47.4%

  • An official warning at first, then temporary bans if they continue to post in another language.

    Votes: 4 21.1%

  • An official warning at first, then a permanent ban if they post exclusively in another language.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (specify in the thread)

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .
Randwolf said:
Isn't that Russia's modus operandi? Throwing human waves at the enemy? A practice still continued today in the "Ukrainian meat grinder"?
By way of contrast, the Soviet Union's financial contribution was approximately $190 billion, compared to the West's investment of $475 billion, plus China's $200 billion—meaning only 23% came from the Soviet Union (measured in 1945 USD).

Human sacrifice alone does not win wars—it takes everything you have. All the Allies gave everything they had, including the Soviet Union. Including Britain, Canada, the USA, France, China, and the rest—everyone sacrificed everything to stop the evil, each in their own way.

Let's not forget the only reason that Russia entered the war was because Hitler violated his 1939 agreement to divide up Poland and the Baltics with the USSR. Stalin made a pact with the devil, and the devil broke that pact—surprise, surprise.

I take it you would be happier had the war continued on until every Westerner perished along with the Russians? Would you sleep better at night if that were the case? Approximately 27 million Russians died during the conflict—an outrageously grievous figure—but the 25 million deaths from the rest of the Allies is hardly insignificant.*

Your attitude belittles and mocks this sacrifice—so change your "fucking" tune, Olga. Get over the "woe is me" pity party you have going for yourself and pretend to be an adult. You joined an English-speaking forum of your own free will, so grow up and contribute something meaningful—in English. You are acting like a spoiled crybaby, making your esteemed Russian motherland look weak by extension. Is that what you are going for here?

* Includes both military and civilian deaths. See:
The National WWII Museum, "Research: WWII Poll: Statistics"
&
Dear, I.C.B. and Foot, M.R.D. (Eds.). "The Oxford Companion to World War II". Oxford University Press.
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Did you say that seriously just now? With what money did you value the courage and self-sacrifice if Russia soldiers? How much did you value their lives? Oh, how Western it is to measure everything with money! Nothing sacred, just money on your mind. This is your god.
When l joined your website, there was no rule to speak only English. If there were such racist rules here from the beginning, l would disdain to stay here.
 
Olga said:
Did you say that seriously just now? With what money did you value the courage and self-sacrifice if Russia soldiers? How much did you value their lives? Oh, how Western it is to measure everything with money! Nothing sacred, just money on your mind. This is your god.
When l joined your website, there was no rule to speak only English. If there were such racist rules here from the beginning, l would disdain to stay here.
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Can you not read, Olga? Or is it just comprehension you have a problem with?

I clearly did not equate money with human lives. I specifically stated that the Allies gave their all - including 25 million deaths.

Are you stupid enough to believe that the war could have been won without money and materiel? Seriously?

As to "If there were such racist rules here from the beginning, l would disdain to stay here" - do you not know where the door is, Olga? Or maybe you are forced to stay here - were you a bad girl and this is your penance? Are the Russian "powers that be" forcing you to post here?

Even your "racist rules" premise is ridiculously hypocritical - if anyone is trying to force anyone to do anything, it is you, Olga. You are trying to force us to comply with your rules. Not to mention the underlying selfishness of expecting the members to accommodate your inability to master a simple translator app.

This "racist rule" you go on about was not handed down from on high - it was democratically decided upon by the members, for the members. I realize this is a foreign concept to you, but that's how we do it here. Once again, if you were being forced to remain, you might have a basis for complaint. As it is, if you don't like it, then you can leave - that's on you.

If you, of your own free will, elect to stay, then you must comply - rather you like it or not. There are many, many laws, rules and regulations that I don't agree with - yet I have to comply. I take comfort in knowing these rules were, at least in principle, democratically created. Get over it, Olga.
 
Moderator note: Olga has been warned for excessive profanity and inappropriate and gratuituous sexual language.
 
C C said:
I never expected Russian Jekyll and English Hyde to be the outcome. Like two different personalities.
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It's possible that more than one person has access to the Olga account. Maybe the foul-mouthed, less intelligent one is taking his turn.
 
Olga said:
Because only fascists and racists can forbid people from speaking their native language.
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Nobody is preventing you from speaking your native language, Olga. We only ask that you write in English on sciforums.

You came to us. We didn't come to you.

Olga said:
When l joined your website, there was no rule to speak only English.
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In 20+ years, we have never before had to deal with the problem of a member who refuses to interact in English, while being obviously quite capable of doing it.
Olga said:
If there were such racist rules here from the beginning, l would disdain to stay here.
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Clearly, Olga, you didn't read what I said about the policy of requiring posters here to use English. There was nothing about "race" in there.

I'm curious, though. Do you believe that Russians are a (separate) "race"? Is that supposed to entitle you to special privileges?
 
James R said:
It's possible that more than one person has access to the Olga account. Maybe the foul-mouthed, less intelligent one is taking his turn.
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I had forgotten the other time that happened. The English is so good (and apparently speedy) that all those months of translation-related excuses hardly make sense in retrospect. And while she dropped the Russophobia card occasionally in the past, now it is constant and full-blown Kremlin level counter-propaganda.
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James R said:
It's possible that more than one person has access to the Olga account. Maybe the foul-mouthed, less intelligent one is taking his turn.
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You know, in retrospect, it sure does seem that way, doesn't it?

I hadn't really been able to put a plausible picture together until now, but now that you frame it that way, it makes sense.



Anyway, to all: can we maybe take this moment of reprieve to catch our breath? We don't really need to chomp at every bit of political troll-bait, do we? It's so crass. And it gives the trolls carte blanche to continue being as troll-y as they want.
 
James R said:
It's possible that more than one person has access to the Olga account. Maybe the foul-mouthed, less intelligent one is taking his turn.
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Other thoughts:

This ties in with C C 's post about Russion trollers:
C C said:
‘Evil’ Kremlebots are the most numerous category, they occupy the absolute majority (73%) of all bot comments. In terms of content, they are usually militaristic anti-Westernists, emotionally charged ‘patriots’, and their comments usually have a pronounced negative tone.
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What if Olga's account was usurped (i.e. against her will - a stranger, not a house mate).

I guess we may see if/when/which she returns.
 
DaveC426913 said:
What if Olga's account was usurped (i.e. against her will - a stranger, not a house mate).
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Or the Pinball curse kicked in again. She starts to go rogue, I say, "Hey guys come on," I DM a few people to hold back, she goes full rogue, proves me wrong again.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Or the Pinball curse kicked in again. She starts to go rogue, I say, "Hey guys come on," I DM a few people to hold back, she goes full rogue, proves me wrong again.
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You should start using that power for good.

I wonder if you can expand it? Does it work in reverse?
The next new user that joins, try slagging the shit out of him. See if he turns out to be SciFo's Aristotle/Sagan/deGrasse Tyson.
 
James R said:
Perhaps (Q) might consider that repeatedly insulting other members of the forum and making overblown accusations about their dishonesty and such might reasonably be construed as "nasty".
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Fuck you, hypocrite.
 
DaveC426913 said:
You should start using that power for good.

I wonder if you can expand it? Does it work in reverse?
The next new user that joins, try slagging the shit out of him. See if he turns out to be SciFo's Aristotle/Sagan/deGrasse Tyson.
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Is that a “spot the odd one out” puzzle? :)
 
parmalee said:
It might serve you well to consider why (Q) referred to our esteemed "moderater" as "hypocrite". But maybe that's just too big of an ask.
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It's because (Q) is having a tizzy fit about being moderated by me. He's lashing out angrily, like you so often do.

Didn't you read my post #177, which gave you all the context you should need, if you wanted to consider this matter from an objective point of view?
 
parmalee said:
It might serve you well to consider why (Q) referred to our esteemed "moderater" as "hypocrite". But maybe that's just too big of an ask.
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You misunderstand my position. I have had my own encounters with (Q), which easily convinced me he has rage issues. So any supposed grievances are negated by 'unhinged'. He needs to learn to deal with his personal issues internally, rather than lashing out publicly.
 
DaveC426913 said:
You misunderstand my position. I have had my own encounters with (Q), which easily convinced me he has rage issues. So any supposed grievances are negated by 'unhinged'. He needs to learn to deal with his personal issues internally, rather than lashing out publicly.
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He is such a good poster too, not so great around Olga. He is very smart I think but man I would not want to get into argument with him at the bar!
Is he an Oz?
 
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