should creationists be allowed in science?

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by steeven91, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

    What are you referring to? what things are you trying to find out about that religious people tell you and that science isn't telling you?.

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  3. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

    Your post was empty for a while, then the witches appeared out of nowhere, but I guess that is what they do.

    Religious tell, but it is only from dogma written all at once in stone. Science finds out the real truth as it goes along, so I'll just stick with that.

    Also, I would tell you to see my new thread from a day or so ago, but I'm purposely not telling you where it is.
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  5. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

    "They is` magik you know"

    But what don't you already know that religious people are telling you otherwise?.

    Lol fine I will find it then, Touche!. (Study ethic right?)
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  7. Saquist Banned Banned

    It's exact same mentality.

    Imagine if you will in 50 years America begins persecuting individuals because they don't believe in evolution or more to the point just for having a religion? We already know what that will be like if Albania was any indication of what an atheist society will do to the religious.

    Humans aren't enlightened they persecute.
    And they will persecute worse under science because there are more religious than irreligious.
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    Yes, he's an arrogant egoist.
    The Groves of Academe are full of them.

    I would say 95% of his scientific ideas are generally accepted, but he extrapolates these to attack religious belief.
    Religion is not a science.
    It is like a Meteorologist analysing Wuthering Heights, and finding it lacking accurate weather statistics.
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2011
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    How is science more religious than "irreligious"?

    Religion: the ultimate tyranny
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2011
  10. Saquist Banned Banned

    ...and I thought common sense like that didn't exist here.
    No religion is not a science.

    That's an interesting question. Why do you ask?

    Actually government would be the ultimate tyranny.

    Nanking Massacre
    1937 20,000-80,000 women raped or murdered by the Japanese Army. 260,000 dead (median)

    Massacre of the Latins
    May 1182 60,000–80,000 by Mob

    Massacre of Praga[/B]1794- 20,000 by Russian Troops

    Tripolitsa Massacre April 1821- 35,000 against the Ottoman Empire

    Chios massacre
    1822 - about 20,000 by Ottoman Troops

    Massacre of Elphinstone's Army January 6, 1842 - 16,000 by Afghan tribes

    Batak massacre April 30, 1876 - 3,000–5,000 by the Ottoman Army

    Hamidian massacres 1894–1896 - 100,000–300,000 by the Ottoman Army

    Moro Crater massacre March 10, 1906 800–1,000 by U.S Troops

    NKVD prisoner massacres 1940, 21,857–25,700, by the Soviet Union

    Kragujevac massacre1942:2,796-5,000, By Germany

    Massacre of Kalavryta
    1942 : 511-1200, by Germany

    Massacres of Poles in Volhynia 1943: 50,000 By the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)

    Massacre of the Acqui Division
    September 21, 1943: 5,000, Wehrmacht troops

    Wola massacre 00August 8, 1944: 40,000–100,000, Wehrmacht troops

    Ochota massacre, August 1944: 10,000, by Waffen-SS.

    Sétif massacre May 1945: 6,000 by the French Air Force

    Jeju massacre April 3, 1948: 20,000 - 60,000 by South Korean Troops

    Bodo League massacre1950: 100,000 - 1.2 million by the South Korean Army

    Massacres during the Zanzibar Revolution January 18–21, 1964 :8,000–17,000

    Hama massacre 1982 7,000 to 35,000 by the Syrian Army

    Executions of Iranian Political Prisoners
    1988: 4,482–30,000


    European Invasion of Asia and Africa
    50 million to 60 million

    The Atlantic Slave Trade
    1.2 million to 2.4 million

    European Invasion of the Americas

    2 million to 10 million

    The Jewis Holocaust

    4.8 million to 11 million

    World War II World Wide

    40,000,000, 72,000,000

    An Shi Rebellion
    33 million - 36 million

    Mongol Conquest

    30 million 60 million

    conquest of the Ming Dynasty

    25 million

    Taiping Rebellion
    25 million

    World War I
    15 million to 65 million

    Conquests of Timur

    15 million to 20 million

    Dungan revolt

    8 million to 12 million

    There is a Big White Elephant in the room but the society of science has been brain washed from the outset to ignore it. Politics revolution and just the plain human inclination to dominate his neighbor is the cause for the most fatalities in all of human history. Politics tells is cheap.
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Irrelevant, there will always be things to fight over, lets just eliminate the irrational religious ones, OK?

    "That's an interesting question. Why do you ask?"
    I think I misunderstood your statement.
  12. Saquist Banned Banned

    You brought to me the subject of ULTIMATE TYRANNY. If it's irrelevant then why did you bring it up? I have shown you greater but your rationality is to focus on the conflict between the cat and mouse when true predators in the room are slaughtering each other by the millions.

    Irrational? What a Qualifier you've chosen!

    They didn't know these people at all.
    What's rational about ceasing territory by the continent?
    What's rational about whole sale indiscriminate death?
    What's rational about rape?
    What's rational about unlimited slavery?

    Some of the most notable religions are Philosophies of Peace and Order.
    Rational is not lumping them all together.
    Rational is not envoking the falacy that religion is the ultimate tyranny.
    Call it what it's sensationalism...

    I think so I didn't say science was more religious than irreligious.
    But I wouldn't disagree with the statement.
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Death toll isn't the ultimate measure of tyranny.
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Gents, the thread is careening towards Night of the Long Knives. How about we just talk about dirty creationists in science?
  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    It seems to have abandoned the original topic, that's for sure.
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    If people were teaching children explanations of the weather, in science class, based on Wutheringism;

    if there were a ten century history of persecuting people who denied the universal applicability and ultimate truth of Wutheringism in every field of human inquiry and daily life;

    if openly failing to worship at an official center of Wuthering belief could endanger your job, earn you longer prison sentences, or blight your public reputation;

    if there were enormous economic, political, and social powers devoted to inculcating Wuthering beliefs in everyone, and imposing them on the whole of modern civilized society;

    you would have an honest parallel.

    As it is, a sensible person recognizes that Dawkins has a legitimate mission, and a well supported list of objections, to the role of religion and the behaviors of religious people in modern civilizations.

    And more than that, the attacks on his "arrogance" and other alleged character flaws are at best exaggerated, and in essence simply ad hominum arguments employed by those who lack any others.

    As far as creationists in science, there are tens of thousands of them. Always have been. They've done quite a bit of good work, in certain fields. What's the issue again?
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  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    The two previously most annoying TV Professors:

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    Michio Kaku

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    Richard Dawkins
    have now been eclipsed by a young upstart

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    Brian Cox

    There's another sciforumer who tells me off when I talk about punching people in the face,
    but that Brian Cox is just asking for it.

    Perhaps all three could get together in a program about
    Creation v Science in Alternative Universes.
    Ideally they should go to an alternative Universe, and stay there.

    Should egoistic, overpaid, media hungry University Science Professors be allowed in Science?
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2011
  18. Saquist Banned Banned

    I've seen Michio Kaku many times on the History Channel.
  19. greenboy Registered Senior Member

    well Saquist

    That's why American Laws protect you just if you think different than the rest of the people, and that's why we have a Religion telling us the following.

    But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).
    While other religions are telling us to KILL your enemies... How about that?

  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    On the HISTORY channel?
    What was your impression?
    I won't respond. We are going well off topic.
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    And it also says to kill your own family and friends if they believe in other gods.
    Deuteronomy 13: 6
    And even if they do believe in the god of the bible you should hate your family anyway:
    Luke 14:26
    How about that?
  22. greenboy Registered Senior Member

    BUt BUT

    Look what scientific people are saying about the scientific Method

    Oh well....

  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    I dunno. what are scientific people saying about the scientific method?

    The authors of that document:
    Professors of what? Education?

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