thank you cactus jack. i thought i would never find a philosopher with an obsession for nine inch nails, but before i get into that . . .
However, your second part an attack on logic was unfounded. Logic is, the word we created but not the principle. Without logic we could not have this conversation, created these machines, live, exist. We are not manipulating logic, when making a conclusion and then backing it with a flawlessly logical thought process we make that conclusion logical and hence probable. I don't think one lies to themself when using logic.
let me clarify. i don't believe logic as a principle to be fallible (see my posts on the "my philosophy" thread in this forum), but rather any human application of logic. like kant asserted about a priori synthetic learning: our knowledge is limited by our sensory experiences, which not only includes what we see, hear, taste, etc., but how we imbibe that knowledge (in predefined, "innate" categories in our minds.) because our experiences are limited, so are any logical conclusions, and hence the logical conclusion that logic is infallible universally cant be proved. like someone else said on this forum: logic is merely the calculator, the tool, what you get depends on what you put into it, and when we as humans have a certain unchangeable operating system, and i dont think you can conclude that our "logic" is infallible.
about the whole "manipulating logic" thing, i dont mean to say that humans abuse/ bend the rules of logic when i say they manipulate it, i mean that logic becomes part of the lie we live when we use it as a means to that end.
nine inch nails analogy, my trent reznor loving friend: mr self-destruct realizes, through impure a priori synthetic reasoning, that the world controls him; hes a "screaming slave" to his god, his society, his lovers, and ironically enough, even to his need for control. when i made that statement about manipulating logic, it was the reverse thought process of mr self-destruct's. if i can use logic to enlighten myself to the true nature of my environment, i can use it to lie to myself as well. of course, thats more of my personal preference on how to deal with the painful inadequacies of the world. mr self-destruct blows his brains out with a gun, i prefer to do it with my thoughts.
and as for nine inch nails: i have to say that they are THE most philosophical group, with the possible exception of tool, out there in the mainstream market. but it irks me to no end that no one in nine inch nails forums wants to talk about the philosophical significances of tds, and broken and phm and the fragile. trent reznor's music is his evolution as a human being, and he encapsulates the human condition, and much of nieztschean and postmodern philosophy, in less than an hour of random, ambient, totally dysjunctive and often discordant noises orchestrated into melodic rhythms so sublime, so raw, so brutally naked, and ultimately so perfect that they can convey the most complex philosophical theories into the language of music: random beatings of various "instruments."
f'in ridiculous how good nin is.
thanks cactus jack, i really, really, really have been looking for someone interesting to shoot the sh*t about nin's philosophy with, but those people dont exist on nin forums. i guess they do here.
(you on any nin forums? whats ur username? i mightve seen you.)
