Secular Law = Rape

[Wizard of Whatever]

For the record I think Jesus existed (scholarly consensus) his messages were mainly of peace, kindness and humanity when he was not obsessed with the new kingdom.

In the gospel of Judas he says he is just a messenger and asks Judas to help him get out of there.

 

[kx000]

W.r.t. the thread title however, we have not had a good argument for the claim that Atheism or secularism leads to rape.

kx000 made the claim.

We have cited passages from Samuel, Joshua, Numbers, Deuteronomy that have orders from Yhwh ordering acts of rape violence and murder towards women and children.

So we could say Biblical Theism = rape (violence, war, murder, genocide, misogyny, homophobia)

Atheism does not = moral behaviour, I do not make that claim.
Neither does, socialism, communism, capitalism or liberalism, why would they?

Speaking for my people however, secularists, atheists and anti theists, we do not have instructions to commit crimes documented anywhere. If there is a book out there by Russell, Pol Pot, Stalin, i reject it utterly.
We ditched god not our humanity.

You don’t have to read the entire Bible to believe in it. Imo

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

In Matthew 5:18, Jesus says that not the "smallest letter" of the Law will pass away until all is accomplished.

And, for good measure, in Matthew 5:19, Jesus adds that anyone who breaks even the least of the commandments or teaches others to do so will be called "least in the kingdom of heaven".

Do you wear clothes of mixed cloths, Olga? e.g. polymer-cotton blends? The law of the Old Testament forbids that. Have you ever eaten shellfish or pork? Jesus says no!, or else you'll be the least in the kingdom of heaven.


So, to be clear, you think that God ordering Moses and the Isaelites to kill all the innocent Midianite children was an immoral act? Or not?

So, to be clear, do you think that Israeli soldiers shooting 3 year old children in the head is justified, or is it a war crime?

Are you saying that the story of in Numbers about the massacre of the Midianites is an error in the bible, then?

Is the bible full of errors, Olga, or is this an isolated example?

I don’t believe in every verse of the Bible, but I still believe in Jesus. Imo the false verses of the Bible come from Judas, the false prophet.

 

[James R]

And on that note, I think we're probably done with this thread. We're a long way from the original topic statement.