Secular Law = Rape
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Pinball1970
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"Unmoral" is not a word but let assume you mean "without" or "have bad" morals.
Why do you think atheists have no/bad morals?
"Do they not denounce sexual immorality?"
Define "sexual immorality."
I decide what is right, for me and how that fits with society, this is different for everyone.
I have no idea what you mean by "abide in human nature."
I am willing to harm anyone or not, depends on the circumstances.
"Little people?" People under 6 foot? Under 5 foot? Children? Dwarfs? Pigmy?
kx000
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Im born passive, I don’t hurt things by nature. Maybe some things should not left up to human decision. Maybe morality is something we are born into. What does it mean that atheist are not inherently moral?
Pinball1970
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Why do you keep assuming atheists do not have morals? We ditched god and religion not morality.
That's kind of like assuming all theists are fascists. Similarly, Marxism is not an inherent attribute of atheism -- the latter existed long before Uncle Karl and other collectivist literature. Two different thought orientations that only occasionally intersect, like Abrahamic doctrines and jackboots.
And the secular far-left actually revolves around pursuit of radical equality and social justice -- a species of heavy morality. That's the crusader hook for attracting recruits, anyway. It's just that the early intelligentsia got too wrapped up in the "dictatorship of the proletariat" thing (as the latter's proxy) and the resulting totalitarianism. Even with respect to the latter, the USSR and Red China arguably had less crime than the US, and considered the West to be the source of ethical degeneracy.
As a certain playwright and critic once facetiously observed, even many Marxist non-theists quickly started imitating their supposedly bygone religious roots again...
George Benard Shaw: I am a Socialist and a Democrat myself, the hero of a hundred platforms, one of the leaders of the most notable Socialist organizations in England. [...] but do you suppose that the German Social-Democrats tolerate me? Not a bit of it.
[...] All they want to know is; Am I orthodox? Am I correct in my revolutionary views? Am I reverent to the revolutionary authorities? Because I am a genuine free-thinker they look at me as a policeman looks at a midnight prowler or as a Berlin bourgeois looks at a suspicious foreigner. They ask "Do you believe that Marx was omniscient and infallible; that Engels was his prophet; that Bebel and Singer are his inspired apostles; and that Das Kapital is the Bible?" ... I found myself an outcast...
Thus you may see that when a German, by becoming a Social-Democrat, throws off all the bonds of convention, and stands free from all allegiance to established religion, law, order, patriotism, and learning, he promptly uses his freedom to put on a headier set of chains... --The Perfect Wagnerite: A Commentary on the Niblung's Ring
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foghorn
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Evolution gave you an immune system and there's a battle in your body from day one.
Wizard of Whatever
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A truly intelligent person makes his own moral choices and is not dependent on any other source for them, only on data and information that helps to make that choice.
kx000
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A moral person is inherently moral sexually. That’s the theory of inferior man.
kx000
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You do this differently than me. I don’t see rape and murder being a choice, I am passive by nature.
Wizard of Whatever
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Nobody is inherently moral. It's learned from experience and being truly awake.
kx000
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I am moral, I wouldn’t not be. I don’t have to chose to not hurt people, I wake up as such.
DaveC426913
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Morality and theism are orthagonal concepts.
Can we restart the discussion with that correction?
DaveC426913
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Don't get too cocksure.
Generally, everybody thinks their own is moralility is sufficient.
But your morality is not excusively your own to decide. I might look at your life and conclude your morality is lacking because you do not donate the bulk of your earnings to the needy, as any altruistic humanist ought to do.
It's a continuum, and there is always someone more moralistic.
Wizard of Whatever
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Your morality is not mine. We would probably deny the other was really moral.
Everyone may be essentially moral, but that morality must be learned and experienced.
kx000
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There are things that are never true.
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Pinball1970
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God allowed and ordered the rape and murder of children in the Bible and I rejected it because of that. So perhaps I am more moral than you?
Это где вы в Библии такое прочитали?
Pinball1970
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Numbers 31:17-18
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Pinball1970
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So murder every child except the virgin girls.
Pinball1970
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This one too.
1 Samuel 15:3:
"utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey".
1 Samuel 15:3:
"utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey".
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