"Scientism" - religion or philosophy?

[duendy]

Do you think this is all that needs to be done to investigate what happened? Whatching body language?

me))))))trouble wid u dude is as i keeps saying. you dont listen. LISTENINGis also important. this is whati am saying. FIRST you listen, which includes listening with all senses.

So you wont accept any empirical results because they came from materialists?

NO. not if you limit the evidence of unexplainable phenomena thru your sci-meth. criteria. all that is so convenient and doesn't explore anything in a deep way. it is mechanically bias.
you for instance deny to us and even to yourselves you may be influenced by a jaterialistic philosophy. this bias obviousoy influences your understanding about unusual phenomena........this is stronlgy exposed in the invective used towards people known nd unknown who report unusual experiences. instead of questioning your questioning you hurl blind insults

 

[shaman_]

me))))))trouble wid u dude is as i keeps saying. you dont listen. LISTENINGis also important. this is whati am saying. FIRST you listen, which includes listening with all senses

Ok Aunty duendy I will rephrase the question. To investigate someone who has had an experience do you just need to watch and listen to them? Is that enough?

NO.

I was talking about empirical evidence in general. Refusing to look at empirical evidence sounds like the equivalent of covering your eyes and screaming la la la la. It does not suprise me that you would say that though.

not if you limit the evidence of unexplainable phenomena thru your sci-meth. criteria. all that is so convenient and doesn't explore anything in a deep way. it is mechanically bias.
you for instance deny to us and even to yourselves you may be influenced by a jaterialistic philosophy. this bias obviousoy influences your understanding about unusual phenomena........this is stronlgy exposed in the invective used towards people known nd unknown who report unusual experiences. instead of questioning your questioning you hurl blind insults

You imply that the current scientific way to investigate something involves nothing more than just yelling insults then leaving. This is the same type of incorrect generalisation that you complain about duendy.

 

[duendy]

Ok Aunty duendy I will rephrase the question. To investigate someone who has had an experience do you just need to watch and listen to them? Is that enough?

me))))))))seee, not listnin. i repeat. first you listen very closely, obviously. what do you mean, i that enough? well,say its a persona or persons who've had an abduction experience, you will listen, and then there can be hypnotherapy?....what else do you suggest? strappin them to a lie-detector machine.....? dread yer answer!

I was talking about empirical evidence in general. Refusing to look at empirical evidence sounds like the equivalent of covering your eyes and screaming la la la la. It does not suprise me that you would say that though.

me((((((((you do what you need, but NOT callin them names, right? otherwise it means yer a material-head

You imply that the current scientific way to investigate something involves nothing more than just yelling insults then leaving. This is the same type of incorrect generalisation that you complain about duendy.

this is whati have witnessed here. EVIDENCE!!

 

[shaman_]

me))))))))seee, not listnin. i repeat. first you listen very closely, obviously. what do you mean, i that enough? well,say its a persona or persons who've had an abduction experience, you will listen, and then there can be hypnotherapy?....what else do you suggest? strappin them to a lie-detector machine.....? dread yer answer!

My point is that simply looking at someone’s body language (and listening) is not even close to being enough. You may be able to sift out some hoaxers this way though.

I asked you several times about a test for telepathy and never really got an answer. You seemed to find the idea of a test for telepathy offensive. This is strange as you admit there are deluded people in the world Do you not want to sift out the deluded people from those with ‘real’ experiences? Does that very idea offend you?

Hypnotherapy has been shown to be unreliable in these situations. Our brain has an ability to change or create memories. I would not rely on it.

me((((((((you do what you need, but NOT callin them names, right? otherwise it means yer a material-head

Well calling people names does not make you a materialist. There is a lot of name calling from believers too.

My point here was that you seemed to quickly discard skinwalker's comment regarding evidence against hypnotherapy.

 

[duendy]

My point is that simply looking at someone’s body language (and listening) is not even close to being enough. You may be able to sift out some hoaxers this way though.

me)))))))ohhhhhhhhh. it is is is. your perception's been dulled by all this materialistic mumbo jumbo. but i didn't mean only that. i mean FIRST YO LISTEN. you do NOT go 'lliar, woo woo, whacko, luny' etc etc. all of that is gutter crap

I asked you several times about a test for telepathy and never really got an answer. You seemed to find the idea of a test for telepathy offensive. This is strange as you admit there are deluded people in the world Do you not want to sift out the deluded people from those with ‘real’ experiences? Does that very idea offend you?

me)))))))NO. and i have said several times, i am fully aware of your stance. and yes, i am aware that chrlatans can say anything. next thing theres a cult, areligion and lots ofmischie and evils and exploitation. ...so all that you must also investigate. get me?....i feel with te mscientific cabal here, they hysterically recoil from ANY alternative understanding. and from there try and use old-school understanding to try and pin down anamouolous experiences. i have also said that othr SCIENTISTS like for example Dr Mck have had to broaden the crteria for sci. method. why aren't ou aware of such as THIS? why do i have to keep mentioning it?

Hypnotherapy has been shown to be unreliable in these situations. Our brain has an ability to change or create memories. I would not rely on it.

me)))))))who said so? ....see what i mean. you have written off one of the ways abductees can try and explore what may have happened to them. whcih can feel very traumatic.
so spotlight on you now: well, dr shaman_---if not tat. i am an abductee. i believe you donna recommend hypnotherpay..what then D you recommend as was of testing me?

Well calling people names does not make you a materialist. There is a lot of name calling from believers too.

mePPPNOT as much as you lot. but you wont see ths of course. blinkered!

My point here was that you seemed to quickly discard skinwalker's comment regarding evidence against hypnotherapy.

i askewd W H O has classed ALL of it bogus? whose thrown the bloody lot outtof the window, baby an all. AND, what have they replaced it with, that will SATISFY their needs. of course they popbs wont give a fukin FIG for the actual abducteee. just teir precious friggin 'evidence'...?