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I love it when people try to tell us all "how it is".
Science = War
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I love it when people try to tell us all "how it is".
dixonmassey
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As I said, there are basically two kinds of people surviving in the modern science a) robot zombies; b) great pretenders, people skillers, salesmen (including used car salesmen). Everybody else can't survive (even though some exceptions can stuck on the lower ladders of science piramide). Certainly, your acquaintances could be exceptions. HOWEVER, because they are your acquaintances you can't be sure about them, just that. BECAUSE, as I said, faking&emulating enthusiasm, blowing up importance and benefits of a product&work is a must for a salesman and a scientist. That's their bread&butter. I'm not sure about salesmen, but scientists are faking 24/7 at work, at home, on a street, in a car, in a park, with a friend, with wife and her dog.
You see, sadly but true, scientists (depending on the field) are nearly unemployable in the real world. If through great luck and resume manipulations, they can get a job outside of science, it doesn't require all those years wasted in schools. Thus, a scientist is a creature much more slavish, dependent and fake than a plumber, for example, who can say "fuck off" to anybody and be sure that his plumbing career will not end abruptly.
Thus, if you really want to know, if a learned man and his worldsaving work are full of BS, the very last thing is to talk to him directly and take him for real. If you want to know what's really going on in a lab, talk to technicians (and, to lesser extent, postdocs), those people are much more honest about the extent of futility of their work. If technicians are demoralized and their boss bubbling with enthusiasm, trust technicians
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagaski saved lives. Without the atomic bomb, the war would have raged on for several more years and more people would have died because the stubborn Japanese would not admit defeat because they believed that their emperor was god.
Also, nuclear weapons won the cold war for us and saved possibly thousands of lives. With nuclear weapons, the cold war was a standoff with neither side making any significant offensive attack. withot the threat of nuclear warfare, the cold war could have easily been WWIII with thousands of casualties. Also, this long standoff period and arms race, we continued to make nukes, forcing the soviets to keep up and spend all of thier money on nukes while their people starved and the economy collapsed.
Nukes are awesome and have done so much good for the world, yes at a large sacrifice but overall their development was beneficial for the world. the only problem is when they fall into the hands of the irresponsible
:yawn: Thanks for the party line.
get an education.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1174157
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1033612#post1033612
Because there is nothing so useless in the real world as knowledge about it.dixon said:
Understood.
It's a good thing we figured out that silly stuff about bacteria and little tiny invisible chemicals, in the days when we were foolish enough to pay a bunch of fakes and salesmen to while away those futile hours pursuing lies of "curiosity" and "enthusiasm", before we caught on to the worthlessness of it all;
so the plumbers would have something to do. Real work, men's work.
umm what have you proved? only that there are differing opinions over the issue and nobody has a definite answer:
Taken from your own article you referred me to:
some people say they would have surrendered, but they thought their emperor was divine, and we have all seen what happens when people believe that god is on thier side--they have an unbreakable conviction in what they are doing, even if it is violence. there was no other way to shake the delusional people out of their fantasy.
others argued that we dropped the bombs to intimidate the soviets, and this only led to thm building up their nuclear program. the argument stops there as if it is assumed that this is a bad thing. however, it was this intimidation and subsequent buildup of the soviet nukes that prevented the cold war from becoming violent and expedited the collapse of the soviet union, saving perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives and preventing a possible WWIII
dixonmassey
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You see, the times of Ancient Greece and Victorian England, the times of "gentlemen" scientists are long time gone. Science today is a MASS profession to make a modestly comfortable living (if you'll break through to the trough over the heads of others, of course). Nothing sacred, nothing heavenly, nothing immune from the ills of the world, just yet another mass way to make a living in the modern highly managed world. All hired labor is some kind of prostitution in an exchange for survival. Prostitution of mind, however, stands out. Faking excitement&enthusiasm, etc. while prostituting yourself stands out even more. "Curiosity" of modern scientists (not all, but majority) is defined by the direction of the cash flow, i.e. by somebody/ing outside of their minds. The sound of the green rain miraculously affects curiosities of hundreds thousands of servants of science, who stampede to the lifegiving cash stream like a herd of buffalos on the verge of enthusiastic orgasm.
Why it's so hard to admit that science is yet another dull, brain numbing, joy of life killing,.... way to make mortgage payments?
Lastly, I'll open you a sectet, if evil alien mastermind will decide to kill off 90% of scientists, the way of life of a plumber will not be affected much (in present and in the future). If the very same alien bastards will decide to kill off 90% of plumbers, everybody is going to notice and be affected
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Pandaemoni
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Lastly, I'll open you a sectet, if evil alien mastermind will decide to kill off 90% of scientists, the way of life of a plumber will not be affected much (in present and in the future). If the very same alien bastards will decide to kill off 90% of plumbers, everybody is going to notice and be affected
Suppose an alien came down and took all the gemstones in the world, the average plumber would not be much affected. Suppose the same evil alien bastard came down and took all the potable water, everybody is going to notice and be affected.
Ergo, I guess gemstones aren't valuable. Please therefore mail all your gemstones to me, and I will trade you a pint of water for them.
bugeyeI guess I'll have to consider that carefully, next time I'm involved with some kind of field research - it never occurred to me before, because they all seemed to be having a hell of a good time doing something they cared about very much.dixon said:
They fake it so well, though, that enthusiasm and curiosity - it's hard to see through them.
Timing is everything, eh? A hundred years ago, that statement would have been false. But hundred years from now, it will have proven to be true, I'm sure. Or not.dixon said: