Schools&Bullying

[Nysse]

it seems that ye're actually supportiing the bullies by showing us how damned good they are for getting around the authorities and not getting caught.

Not at all, Baron.
He said the Teachers did see it and they did know about it, but they chose to ignore it.
That hardly implies the bullies were good at their game. It just means the Teachers were completely incompetent and corrupted.
Big difference.

Life isn't fair, but what little you have of it, you and only you can and should protect it.

MetaKron has already said that he did try and protect himself but was prevented by the Teachers.

If you don't, then you don't deserve to have it in the first place.

Does a five year old deserve to not have a life because they cannot protect themselves from older bullies?

Laws can't protect you; parents can't protect you; people can't protect you unless they're chained to you 24/7 ....and do you want that? No.

We are not talking about being protected 24/7; the thread is about being able to go to school without getting bashed up. It’s also about the Teachers and the parents showing some responsibility for the children that are in their care.

 

[Baron Max]

The usual B.S. from B.M.

Braon Max: "Laws can't protect you; parents can't protect you; people can't protect you unless they're chained to you 24/7 ....and do you want that? No. What you want is to change human nature by ....what?.... complaining about the parts that you don't like! Well, aren't the bullies doing the same thing?"

Explain to me, Meta, what is bullshit about that statement? Please ...explain it to me.

Baron Max

 

[Baron Max]

We are not talking about being protected 24/7;...

Yes, we ARE talking about 24/7 protection ....and you know it!! The parents and/or teachers and/or cops can't possibly protect you all the time unless they are right by your side.

On the way to school, there's no one around ...the bully can get you there.
In school, if the teachers aren't looking, the bully can get you there ....and if you cry and whine, the teacher has only your word against the word of the bully!

See? We are talking about 24/7 protection ...you just don't want to admit it because things become too difficult for you to solve!! ...without 24/7 protection!

Baron Max

 

[ArtofWar]

Yes, we ARE talking about 24/7 protection ....and you know it!! The parents and/or teachers and/or cops can't possibly protect you all the time unless they are right by your side.

On the way to school, there's no one around ...the bully can get you there.
In school, if the teachers aren't looking, the bully can get you there ....and if you cry and whine, the teacher has only your word against the word of the bully!

See? We are talking about 24/7 protection ...you just don't want to admit it because things become too difficult for you to solve!! ...without 24/7 protection!

Baron Max

Fight or Flight, it is as simple as that. Artificial Body guards are not in our nature, so why rely on the protection of others. If you are the one being bullied your best defense is to complain to the figure in power, and when confronted by the evil at hand FIGHT!!! After the altercation subsides, you will then have proof of a premeditated confrontation, which in return excluding the Bully of all his innate rights to interact with his peers (AKA School suspension).

 

[Nysse]

Yes, we ARE talking about 24/7 protection ....and you know it!!

I was under the impression the thread was about whether children having the option to ‘attend’ one these Cyberschools was a good idea.

The parents and/or teachers and/or cops can't possibly protect you all the time unless they are right by your side.

Everyone knows that already.
But the Teachers should be using their authority to stop bullying to the best of their ability, which obviously doesn’t happen in most cases or there wouldn’t be such a bloody problem.

and if you cry and whine, the teacher has only your word against the word of the bully!

Yes, I know that, but don’t you think that claim should be taken seriously and looked into further? It is the job of the Teachers to look after the children that are in their care, is it not?

And why exactly do you have such a problem with children “crying and whining” to the Teachers about being bullied, Baron? What else would you have them do if they cannot protect themselves? Do you think every child that is bullied and then “cries and whines” to the Teacher is pathetic because you expect everyone to be capable of defending themselves?
It’s a pitiable, ignorant attitude to have, you know.

See? We are talking about 24/7 protection ...

No, Baron. I still think we are talking about what happens at School, and what can be done for the problems of bullying in School.
I am talking about the fact that what goes on during School should be dealt with properly by Teachers and Parents, not ignored, not put down to whether someone should be capable of defending themselves, not whether children should just grin and bear it because “bullying is a fact of life”.
That’s all bullshit. I know no one can protect children that are being bullied 24/7, but these children have a right to be protected from harm by the Teachers that have been entrusted to look after them at school.
Parents expect that their children will be looked after and protected from harm while they are at school, and so they should be.

 

[mountainhare]

MetaKron:

The so-called teachers at that prison that might have been a school were vigilant enough to catch me every time I tried to hit back. They were vigilant enough that if they so chose they could have caught the bullies and stopped them from bullying.

The simple answer is to hit back when the teachers aren't watching. Have you tried that?

And even if the teachers catch you, so what? Don't believe that shit about a 'school record', it's a load of crock.

The usual B.S. from B.M.

I can honestly tell you that while Baron Max sometimes spouts bullshit, he does so less often than many members of this forum. And this is one case where he is NOT spouting bullshit. You whine and bitch like a little child. There is nothing wrong with talking about your problems, but you push it to the max, buddy.

If you expended less of your energy whining, and put it into something constructive, like standing up to the bullies, you might be better off. Or even motivating the authorities to get off their asses and do something about it.

 

[duendy]

MetaKron:

The simple answer is to hit back when the teachers aren't watching. Have you tried that?

me)))have you tried reading th threads you ignoreantly respond to???....if so--whcih of course you reveal yo aint--you'd know we've been thrunthis crap a zillionntimes. .....the bleedin obvious that if you hit back at bullies, espesh if them bigger and more ..yous is gonna get seriously fuked over......DIG??

And even if the teachers catch you, so what? Don't believe that shit about a 'school record', it's a load of crock.

me)))))i take it you must be 13? isf so....excuse me language


I can honestly tell you that while Baron Max sometimes spouts bullshit, he does so less often than many members of this forum. And this is one case where he is NOT spouting bullshit. You whine and bitch like a little child. There is nothing wrong with talking about your problems, but you push it to the max, buddy.

me)))))))itis strikingly obvious with your
judgement about bmax, you re devoid of any
clearobservation. other wise you'd know that every word comes outta that old codgers fingers is poison!

If you expended less of your energy whining, and put it into something constructive, like standing up to the bullies, you might be better off. Or even motivating the authorities to get off their asses and do something about it.

and who are you to comehere after all these fukin pages with this insubstantial bolloks?

 

[Baron Max]

But the Teachers should be using their authority to stop bullying to the best of their ability,.....
And why exactly do you have such a problem with children “crying and whining” to the Teachers about being bullied, Baron? What else would you have them do if they cannot protect themselves?

Okay ...lets say that we finally are able to make public SCHOOLS safe from bullying. What are y'all gonna' do once you graduate and take a job in the private sector? Who is to protect you from the bullies out there? And let me tell you ...there are lots and lots more bullies in "real life" than there are in schools! Now what or who are you gonna' whine to?

Baron Max

 

[Nysse]

What are y'all gonna' do once you graduate and take a job in the private sector? Who is to protect you from the bullies out there?

Well, if bullying was eliminated from schools then wouldn’t it be more likely to stop in the workplace, as well? Or, would children just completely disregard the lessons and principles they learned during school when they graduated and become utter bastards once they left?

And let me tell you ...there are lots and lots more bullies in "real life" than there are in schools!

Yes, I am aware.
I’m also aware that there are a lot more options available to adults that in charge of their own life and the decisions they make, than a child who has few choices but for those that their parents give to them.
I think it would be considerably easier for a grown man in charge of his own life to deal with bullying than a seven year old that is ruled by his parents, don’t you?

Now what or who are you gonna' whine to?

I don’t remember “whining”, actually.

 

[duendy]

I agree Nysse.....
bmax. we know it's a loooong looooong time since yo was a kid in shortpants going to school. but let me remind you, causei aint foggot the horror of it

when you are child you are surrpunded by big peole--your guardians. you are vulnerable--very. and have no opton but to TRUST hese gaints. you believe they know what best, cause you are fesh and still dont know the games being played.....arew yu with me?? let me know if you dont underatnd?

admittedly some adultwdont clock on to the games being played, so what chance children...??

but nevertheloess an adult in work situation ha only his/herself t blame IF they continue to fester in...THE CAGE OF THEIR OWN MAKING.

if bullied they can report it. leave.

what can a kid do? as sid...many kids aren't efen respected. thy are completey vulnerable---despeartwely trying to play the social game and fit in. so hane is attached to bullying if theys dont fit in.....all tis occupying the pook kid's had. it is obscene and outrageou we aloow childrewn to have to suffer this caus silly adults believe its character-building and will make tenmable to cope wit cut throat business world. THA teory mean you JUSTIFY that world!!!!!!!

i, and manymany other do NOT. andi wouldn't encourag any kid to fit INTO it to begin with,

 

[crazyfreespirit]

Duendy, I have a question completely unrelated to anything. I don't meen to be rude in any way, but is there some reason why you can't edit or read over your posts before you submit them? I ask only becuase I'm unsure If you or maybe your computer may have a problem that makes that difficult. If not, could you please edit them, it would make your posts much easier to understand.

Ok, you say adults can just leave the workplace if bullied. This is little easier for them then it is for a child. Granted it is easier, but hardly. A kid can leave can go to another school. This may cause inconvience, but at least they're garunteed that there will be another school that will take them. On the other hand, an adult needs the job to support themself. They can't just leave a job. The only easier part for the adult is that they have more control. Unless the parents are unsuportive, or don't care(which is commen in bullied children...actually overly loving parents also tend to be the parents of bullied kids too...) then they will see to moving their child. Of course if the parents don't care, then it back to the whole "the kid has to deal with it".

 

[Baron Max]

when you are child ... ''', cause you are fesh and still dont know the games being played.....

Well, that's part of what they need to learn in schools ...how to deal with problems when working/playing with other kids, bullies included. Why can't they learn THAT lessson as well as they learn history or math?

Baron Max

 

[mountainhare]

duendy:

MetaKron:

.....the bleedin obvious that if you hit back at bullies, espesh if them bigger and more ..yous is gonna get seriously fuked over......DIG??

Only if you are damn stupid. If you pick your battles, and get the first punch in, then you're set. Even if you lose the fight, bullies won't pick on you if they know that they will suffer injury in doing so.

[uote]
And even if the teachers catch you, so what? Don't believe that shit about a 'school record', it's a load of crock.

me)))))i take it you must be 13? isf so....excuse me language

No, I'm not 13. I can say with absolute certainity that the 'school record' is a load of shit. I got into quite a bit of trouble at high school, and supposedly it went on my 'school record'. Guess what? I was accepted to one of Australia's top universities, received numerous scholarships, and am currently having a blast. You might as well just wipe your ass with the 'school record'. It means NOTHING.

.other wise you'd know that every word comes outta that old codgers (Baron Max's) fingers is poison!

More like 'tough love'.

 

[Nysse]

On the other hand, an adult needs the job to support themself. They can't just leave a job.

If they were that unhappy with their situation they most certainly could.

Unless the parents are unsuportive, or don't care(which is commen in bullied children...actually overly loving parents also tend to be the parents of bullied kids too...) then they will see to moving their child.

Well, you just said it yourself; unsupportive or careless parents are common in bullied children. Do you think those unsupportive parents are going to let their children just move schools because their child says they are being bullied? If they are, like you say, unsupportive and careless, they would hardly bother with the effort.
It’s extremely difficult to persuade someone that doesn’t care about you to see your point of view, or even be mildly concerned about the situation.
So, what do we do for students that cannot move schools? Tell them to deal with it because it’s a part of life and see how many kids we can get to hang themselves by their shoelaces in one year?

It seems to me that a lot of people think that bullying is only the child’s problem, when in fact it is both the teacher’s problem and the schools problem, as well. So, instead of telling the children how to deal with it, why not try telling the people that are supposed to maintain the system and protect the children they are accountable for, so that they might actually be able to make a difference in the whole school.

 

[crazyfreespirit]

Yes well, thats the whole problem isn't it? How do they protect the children being bullied...the whole topic of this thread. Around the clock surveillance, including outside of school would be the only way to protect the kid. What are some other ways.

 

[Nysse]

Around the clock surveillance, including outside of school would be the only way to protect the kid. What are some other ways.

I’ve said it a couple of time already, in my opinion the problem starts with the parents, and the problem seems to be that no one is teaching these children to respect other people and their differences. So, I think parents need to be more aware of the problem this causes in schools so that they can instil respect and tolerance in their children before it’s too late to be effective. Basically, if parents taught their children at an effective age to tolerate differences and respect others there would not be a need for “around the clock surveillance” or harsher school systems.

 

[crazyfreespirit]

Nysse,
I agree completely, I've said it too. But we can't control people, or how a child is brought up.

 

[duendy]

Duendy, I have a question completely unrelated to anything. I don't meen to be rude in any way, but is there some reason why you can't edit or read over your posts before you submit them? I ask only becuase I'm unsure If you or maybe your computer may have a problem that makes that difficult. If not, could you please edit them, it would make your posts much easier to understand.

mePPPi knowyu dont mean to be rude and have asked courteously, but my answer stays same. my system is VERY much more limited tha yours. TILL then i manage to get a real live computtee, tose of you who struggl wid my offereings will have to continue to do so. srry. not ALL my posts are TOTALLy un-undertandable i hope

Ok, you say adults can just leave the workplace if bullied. This is little easier for them then it is for a child. Granted it is easier, but hardly. A kid can leave can go to another school. This may cause inconvience, but at least they're garunteed that there will be another school that will take them.

me)))ohhh, you make it sound SO easy. look, the child is ery vulnerabloe. she/he is only just beginnig to play game of SOCIALIZING....yeah???? this is a huge rite of passage. involved in this is all kindsof struggle. so psychologically being bullied wit all the trauma that goes with it can be EXTREMELY>>.traumatc for child, right?....then there is theproblem of the AUTHORITIESof the schools, andtheir usually wanting to cover up bad press. there is the SHAMEof child havin to TELL parents about bullying, and allthe fuck-up of thaytin the kid's life' PLESE use yur imaginatin and empathyt to understand tis problem. then i dot have to speall it out

On the other hand, an adult needs the job to support themself. They can't just leave a job. The only easier part for the adult is that they have more control.

me)))which is VASTLY more than achild has got...also, NOone has forced you him her to take some crappy job and lead a crappy lifestyle. it is down to you unless you really on frontline...ie., but whatever, you have the power of choie NOT to follow autority if you can. i dont mean go out and murder. i meah not to become a sheep

Unless the parents are unsuportive, or don't care(which is commen in bullied children...actually overly loving parents also tend to be the parents of bullied kids too...) then they will see to moving their child. Of course if the parents don't care, then it back to the whole "the kid has to deal with it".

it is ALWAYSthekid who has to deal wit it. usually the grownups make an even worse cockup of whatewver has gone on before. mainly cause it is them that have created this evil fukin system in the first place!

 

[duendy]

Well, that's part of what they need to learn in schools ...how to deal with problems when working/playing with other kids, bullies included. Why can't they learn THAT lessson as well as they learn history or math?

Baron Max

but you are justpicking on VICIMS of bullying, as to as to say...:'hey kids--read up on social darwinism. this world is full of bullies and you'll gotta get armed up'.......when i say they are just learning the games, i dont mean i am wanting to indoctrinate them how to be cut-throat business people who know hot to attack. THA is already on the curriculem. THAT is THEproblem!

 

[duendy]

Yes well, thats the whole problem isn't it? How do they protect the children being bullied...the whole topic of this thread. Around the clock surveillance, including outside of school would be the only way to protect the kid. What are some other ways.

i dont mean to be rude now...but i must say, please read ALL of thread so as we dont have to epeat ourseves. you ask what other ways?

so i repeat.....THE most important thing is the child. the child who is suffering. ypu only see tip of the iceberg when a child's in distress. inside the kid is dying, and its blighting his whole childhood. tis cannot go on

there has to be 'refuges' where children can go. to get the hell out of an institution which is like open prison, and where staff cover their tracks for good PR

there have happened'cyberschol' in the U.S and 'Notschols' here in UK. these places are spcifically designed for the 'margialized' to be able to learn and grow in non-hostile envirohments. recently a school opened in UK where all the kids are ex-bullied children. and i ead they all are getting on good there

stuff like that. MORE please. this empowers kids. they know thewy have somewhere to go

i likened tis situation to the battered wife syndrome. yearsback a woman married to bullying husband had to put up wt his shit. she had NOwhere to go. police didn't even take it seriously--calling the violence toward the woman--a 'domestic'...so they were trapped

but now there is much more support, and this includes women's refuges...where they can LEAVE THE HOSTILE SITUATION AND GET SANCTUARY'

none wants fukin pain. do you want pain? do you think a kid wants pain?...hope your answer is no. if so then. let us help tose who want help to get the fuk out of those indoctrinating factories with the resident bullies. THAT is PRIORITY.