School Shooting in Minneapolis

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If not, why blame shootings on the gun.

The presence or lack of gun raises different behavioral-economic prospects. Sandy Hook is actually archetypal, in this sense: People are free to own guns, and it doesn't matter whether their reasons make any logical sense to me, and that's the way it goes in this society. Meanwhile, the behavioral-economic framework of many gun owners is in its way no more egocentric or solipsistic than many our Republic has engendered, and thus struggles with the difference between what is unimaginable and what they would not imagine of their own. As such, Sandy Hook: It should not have been unimaginable that a psychologically distressed individual might someday commit an act of mass murder in an elementary school; whether one might imagine that prospect of their own progeny is another question, entirely.

Here's how long ago 2007↗ was: It was not unimaginable that a drunk with a history of domestic violence might murder his pregnant ex-girlfriend, but apparently there was this one guy who couldn't possibly imagine that his friend, a dovi repeat offender obsessed with a woman, might one day so easily walk into his place and steal so easily accessible a firearm in order to go kill Rebecca Griego seventeen hours after being arrested for attacking her.

I mean, it's one thing if we've long talked about accidental shootings and homicides by toddlers and secure your guns and all that, but no, a friend steals your gun and you don't notice until the woman he's after is dead, and, yeah, this apparently made a certain amount of sense, at the time, though it's probably unimaginable, today.

But without the easy availability of the firearm, things might well have gone differently. And that, at least, ought not be so unimaginable.
 
"It's not the gun! It's the person!"
"So let's license the person."
"No, it's not normal people, it's mentally ill people!"
"So let's test people before we give them guns."
"No, you are 'punishing the majority!' Only apply that to really mentally ill people!"
"So let's fund mental health programs so we can find and treat them."
"That's SOCIALISM! Guns are just tools, like cars! Stop attacking them."
"So let's treat them like cars. Register them, insure them etc."
"It's not the gun, it's the person!"

And repeat, and repeat, as thousands of kids die every year.
Here is one solution I think might help.

Use all records including juvenile arrests, non-conviction arrests, convictions, complaints to police, school records. and records of seeing or have seen a mental health professional, etc. when evaluating a firearms li.cense.
 
Here is one solution I think might help.

Use all records including juvenile arrests, non-conviction arrests, convictions, complaints to police, school records. and records of seeing or have seen a mental health professional, etc. when evaluating a firearms li.cense.
Result - no one will ever see a mental health professional, and the problem will get worse.

If we fund mental health services for all, that will help 1) identify people at risk and 2) get them the help they need.
 
Result - no one will ever see a mental health professional, and the problem will get worse.

If we fund mental health services for all, that will help 1) identify people at risk and 2) get them the help they need.
Ok, replace the mental health part with possible drug and alcohol related incidents not covered by the other ideas.

Funding metal health services will not get many who would need it to actually take advantage of it unless forced.
 
Gun culture in the US is just baffling to me. I look at the numbers and can only shake my head in pity at how a country that claims to be the leader of the free world doesn't do more. The normalisation of tragedy is it's own crime of which the American population as a whole is guilty.
If there was an emoji for shaking my head in pity, consider me putting one just about here.
 
The normalisation of tragedy is it's own crime of which the American population as a whole is guilty.
Or the percent which sees this as normal and just "the cost of freedom." Millions of us do not. More broadly I would say that most nations have many people who live there because of family/friends and career, with possibly an affinity for a particular landscape, a sense of home. Some live here only from love of a partner who cannot or will not leave. Some live here because of economic constraints and/or infirmities of age. Whatever our reasons, we are like billions of people on this planet who are not really flag fondlers or gung ho about the government or smitten by an ideology but just trying to live our lives and find our bliss.

Remove the context of my being here and I'd be on my way to Auckland or Devon or Tuscany or Mauritius or some other non-SH within 24 hours.
 
Mandatory Metal & Other Notes

Funding metal health services will not get many who would need it to actually take advantage of it unless forced.


Meanwhile, the part about "drug and alcohol related incidents" is, well, kind of complicated.
 
Gun culture in the US is just baffling to me. I look at the numbers and can only shake my head in pity at how a country that claims to be the leader of the free world doesn't do more. The normalisation of tragedy is it's own crime of which the American population as a whole is guilty.
It's also the sick and twisted sort of priorities we have here. Republican politicians regulary push banning drag queens who read to kids, for example. To "protect the kids." Zero kids have been killed (or even injured) by drag queens reading to kids.

5000 kids were shot in 2024; 1400 died. But we can't protect kids from guns because that would make gun owners lives a bit more inconvenient. Just send them thoughts and prayers. Maybe have them buy a bulletproof backpack; that will solve it.

But abortion! We have to ban abortion! Because that kills kids! But then we'll also cancel prenatal care programs, childhood vaccination programs, vaccine mandates and requirements for healthcare coverage for kids. Sure, both maternal and infant death rates are increasing rapidly in states that ban abortions, but what's the big deal about THAT?
 
Or the percent which sees this as normal and just "the cost of freedom." Millions of us do not. More broadly I would say that most nations have many people who live there because of family/friends and career, with possibly an affinity for a particular landscape, a sense of home. Some live here only from love of a partner who cannot or will not leave. Some live here because of economic constraints and/or infirmities of age. Whatever our reasons, we are like billions of people on this planet who are not really flag fondlers or gung ho about the government or smitten by an ideology but just trying to live our lives and find our bliss.

Remove the context of my being here and I'd be on my way to Auckland or Devon or Tuscany or Mauritius or some other non-SH within 24 hours.
Sure, I'm aware that many many people in the US do not want to normalise such tragedy, and are outraged by it... but as a whole it is what seems to be happening. There is not enough done by those on one side to counteract the apathy, the acceptance, by the other. And, as a whole, America gradually normalises it such that even those not wanting to see it as "normal" start to do less and less, knowing that with any effort they make they're really just pissing into the wind.

Normalisation is part of society, and in the UK we're unfortunately in that same process regarding knife crime. It spiked, people sort of grew tired about hearing of it, and now with levels not quite as high (but still historically high) it's barely mentioned. A case of creeping normality. But mass-shootibgs, especially at schools, stands out (to me, at least) as an odd one to normalise.
 
It's also the sick and twisted sort of priorities we have here. Republican politicians regulary push banning drag queens who read to kids, for example. To "protect the kids." Zero kids have been killed (or even injured) by drag queens reading to kids.
No, no, Bill! Don't you see how the drag queens, by reading them stories, are grooming those precious innocent children for the drag lifestyle? They're groomers! One day it's "Goodnight Moon," the next it's "Billy, put on your dress with ruffles." Do you really want any part of this devious scheme to drain America of its precious bodily fluids?
 
And, as a whole, America gradually normalises it such that even those not wanting to see it as "normal" start to do less and less, knowing that with any effort they make they're really just pissing into the wind.
Thanks, I see what you're saying better. Yes, contravental micturition does get quite tiring. The MAGAniacs are trying to wear us all down to impotent nubs.
 
The normalisation of tragedy is it's own crime of which the American population as a whole is guilty.

Kind of like capitalism.

But somewhere between, "It was on fire when I lay down on it", and the Serenity Prayer, Americans have somehow arrived at, "Have fun storming the castle!" with nary an amicable giant, master swordsman, nor dread pirate to be found. Market forces project poor prospects for being The One. It's not that the "libertarians" who ranted against the Herd were so wrong about the Sheeple, but, rather, the alternative they pitched never rang well. People thinking to speak out inevitably countenance the question of whether the Herd will rally 'round or sacrifice the scapegoat. And if we already know there are those who will alert the predators as if to save themselves from being devoured, it's just that this part of the metaphor has become direly real.

And in that sense, sure, that thing people feared once upon a time, that priority toward omni syndrome honed to an edge of fear, seems to have been really real, because here it is in front of us.

If you try to read the market for what you need to do and perceive only extraordinary danger, it's easy to justify waiting for a better opportunity.

Also, there is this: Inasmuch as we're talking about gun violence and excess death, I don't think beating "them" to death is a viable solution. That is, the fact that it isn't gun violence wouldn't mean anything other than holy shit what a spectacular massacre. That much blood from that many cut throats is going to be bad for tourism, no matter how righteous the slaughter. And, y'know, even worse for the community.

Sorry, it's just that, after what happened at Uvalde, and the ceaseless swirl of bad news making it even worse for months afterward, I'm pretty much at the limit for certain solutions. For instance, I don't endorse literally killing all the cops simply because I don't believe anything good can be achieved that way. The reason we need to be better than that isn't about impressing God, or showing off for the neighbors, but I'm raised in a society where we are doctrinally aware of our posterity, and have obligations to the future.

Quite literally, the marketplace tells us those obligations are too expensive, and, yeah, for generations, literally generations, people have fallen in line because if you can't compete in the marketplace, you're done.

That's the thing about superstition; it's unclear what people expected to happen, but, clearly, things were supposed to get better, somehow. I'm not sure what to make of that belief, anymore; it's kind of like the question of fundamental goodness or evil in human nature. It's one thing if this is some sort of sickness, but it's been with us the whole time.
 
So, news from Seattle area suggesting that sometimes discovering mental health issues combined with gun ownership (or 23 gun ownership, in this case) depends on the young gun nut oversharing on social media. (of course Mom insists he wouldn't hurt anyone and was just trying to sound cool to his friends...)


A SWAT team raided his home and arrested him around 1 a.m. Saturday in Washington’s Pierce County, south of Seattle. His mother told a Seattle TV station their son had no intention of harming anyone.

Tactical-style rifles were mounted on walls and handguns were found unsecured throughout the home. In the boy’s room — in a heavy backpack beneath a turtle habitat — were AR-style magazines with writing on them referencing mass shootings, including the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado, according to a probable cause statement by the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office.

Investigators said they also found “what appeared to be the face of a known mass shooter placed in a crude drawing,” and that in social media posts dating back to June he had displayed weapons and dressed in the attire of past school shooters. According to the probable cause statement, one post said, “when i turn 21 iam going to kill people,” and another said, “its over! my time is almost hear!”
 
So, news from Seattle area suggesting that sometimes discovering mental health issues combined with gun ownership (or 23 gun ownership, in this case) depends on the young gun nut oversharing on social media. (of course Mom insists he wouldn't hurt anyone and was just trying to sound cool to his friends...)


A SWAT team raided his home and arrested him around 1 a.m. Saturday in Washington’s Pierce County, south of Seattle. His mother told a Seattle TV station their son had no intention of harming anyone.

Tactical-style rifles were mounted on walls and handguns were found unsecured throughout the home. In the boy’s room — in a heavy backpack beneath a turtle habitat — were AR-style magazines with writing on them referencing mass shootings, including the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado, according to a probable cause statement by the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office.

Investigators said they also found “what appeared to be the face of a known mass shooter placed in a crude drawing,” and that in social media posts dating back to June he had displayed weapons and dressed in the attire of past school shooters. According to the probable cause statement, one post said, “when i turn 21 iam going to kill people,” and another said, “its over! my time is almost hear!”
Both him and his parents need psychological adjustment.
 
Given Kirk's penchant for declaring that gun deaths were "unfortunately" worth it to keeping the Second Amendment, this does beg the question of whose deaths he had in mind - did he include himself in that reckoning? If posthumous mental function were possible, I'd have to wonder how many friends and family members he would now view as expendable for the sake of the Mighty Second.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no mood for karmic gloating - his murder is a despicable act and the rest of his life has been stolen from him. A life where he could have grown and witnessed more of gun-happy America and perhaps shifted his perspective on the relevance of "a well-regulated militia..." to actual life in the 21st century.
 
… did he include himself in that reckoning?

They never include themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no mood for karmic gloating …

And this is the fucking firecracker, so to speak, ain't it?

Part of this really is a political question about "fighting words".

MSNBC, for instance, had a reputable analyst on, earlier, talking responsibly about the fact that leftist violence isn't up in the way we might expect, and, honestly, I was surprised to hear that discussion in the moment. To me, though, the counterpoint is, well, right, baseball: Do you remember the bit in Major League about how, "he was due"? Statistically speaking, it's inevitable that someone would eventually pop a conservative. And here, I'm not trying to justify any particular dimension of crazy, but, rather, what I mean is that whether it's hits on Democratic politicians or Asian and Asian-American women in spa parlors, at some point the victim of one of these spectacular murders was going to be a definitively conservative political figure.

That it's Charlie Kirk, and not an office holder, is its own discussion; I haven't divined the dimensions of that part.

But it's true, Charlie Kirk built his reputation on fighting words. And any moral lesson we might take from that point is its own discussion.

This is one of those things where there is no good news. It's just flat-out not supposed to go this way.
 
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