RFK Jr. plans to curb antidepressants, which he falsely compares to heroin
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He apparently does take Botox and other treatments occasionally, which could make him sound slightly better at times but seem worse in comparison, after it wears off. One site does claim that spasmodic dysphonia can progress in severity, but other sources assert that it's more of a non-progressive condition.
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Code Crafter
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If advising individuals to go to a wellness farm, getting excersise, socializing, getting vocational skills, and to choose between medication or other therapy, for whatever issues they are dealing with, is voluntary, I have no problem. Providing for our Black children, who, according to the excerpt, have a high rate of suicide, is very important. I am confused by the term reparent, does he mean supervise?
Code Crafter
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In America, we democratically elect our leaders, who represent our interests. If you feel something violates your freedom, vote on it.
It's another strain of pop psychology voodoo. Here's a mishmash sampling:
Some people consider reparenting to be one of the many forms of New Age psychotherapy.
[...] Reparenting is the act of giving yourself what you didn’t receive as a child. [...] Reparenting involves adults working in therapy to address unmet emotional or physical needs from their childhood. A parent or caregiver may not have fulfilled all of their child's needs when their child was growing up; when the child grows into an adult, they may need to learn how to give themselves what they lacked as a kid to improve their health and well-being.
Reparenting is a form of psychotherapy in which the therapist actively assumes the role of a new or surrogate parental figure for the client, in order to treat psychological disturbances caused by defective, even abusive, parenting. The underlying assumption is that all mental illness results principally from such parenting, even including schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
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Code Crafter
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Since he's discussing "kids" (at least some times), one assumes it's just something Kennedy picked up to refer to the staff instilling supposedly better values or more constructive social habits and work practices.
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TheVat
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See, a person would likely grasp that my question was a rhetorical one, to point out that we all have limitations on our freedom in order to coexist in a civilized society. A human responder would be less likely to reply with simplistic truisms. Obviously, large numbers of constituents will not, in any election, get a candidate who crafts policies in their interests or keep their campaign promises. Unless someone has lived in a cave for the past decade, or a metaphorical bubble, they have noticed this. Big money donors also distort the picture as politicians cater to their freedoms while ignoring others. Democracy trends towards plutocracy as the present dominant party serves billionaires while millions struggle with poverty and homelessness.
And of course, pertinent to this thread, cabinet appointments of incompetent persons (e.g. Kennedy utterly lacking medical/ healthcare qualifications for his position) chosen only for their loyalty to Turnip, yields our present clown regime of failing institutions and gutting of programs of professional peer-reviewed research in areas like public health.
sculptor
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the headline: RFK Jr. plans to curb antidepressants, which he falsely compares to heroin
Is misleading
Dare I say:
Intentionally obfuscatory?
Yeh: Why not?
That being stated; let me add: When someone starts off by intentionally attempting to deceive me, that sets the tone of further communications.
why bother?
How so? And why haven't you explained why you think it's misleading? You just want to throw an accusation out there, with no evidence? That sounds a bit like the way that RFK goes about arriving at his health policies.
The quote in the opening post says, for example:
.... anti-vaccine Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced new federal initiatives to curb prescribing of antidepressants, which he has long attacked with false and dangerous claims.
Is this misleading? Did Kennedy not announce new federal initiatives to curb the prescribing of antidepressants? Is this not his plan?
Another quote from the opening post:
Kennedy has also repeatedly made the false claim that quitting antidepressants is extremely difficult, harder to quit than heroin.
Is this not true? Has Kennedy, in fact, not repeatedly compared antidepressants to heroin in this way?
Please clarify for us all which parts are misleading, and why, sculptor.
What has been intentionally obfuscated, that you want us to know about? Be specific rather than vaguely casting shade.
Who are you accusing of intentionally attempting to deceive you? And about what, exactly?
Good question. Why bother with a bunch of apparently baseless accusations that are unsupported by any argument or evidence?
sculptor
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What rfk junior claimed was "quitting antidepressants is extremely difficult"
ergo, claiming that RFK Jr. plans to curb antidepressants, which he falsely compares to heroin
"compares to heroin" is a tad misleading
This from Psychology today:
"Although there is uncertainty about exact numbers, we know from clinical experience, other research, and the reports of many thousands of patients that significant and debilitating withdrawal effects after stopping antidepressants are not uncommon."
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"Withdrawal symptoms following the discontinuation of antidepressants have been reported for decades now."
Antidepressant Withdrawal: Nothing to Worry About?
Recent reviews claim antidepressant withdrawal is clinically insignificant, but they are based on flawed and short-term studies. Minimizing withdrawal problems is worrying.
www.psychologytoday.com
Please remember James ; that one of my degrees is in psychology (from a decidedly behaviorist school).
so
when I claim that the headline is misleading, that claim is well founded
yours;
rod
That would be RFK misleading people, would it not, since he was the one who was comparing getting off antidepressants to getting off heroin? At least, that's what the quote from the report on what he said says.
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exchemist
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I suppose, to be scrupulously fair, RFK was alleging that antidepressants have similar addictive properties to heroin, rather than that they are comparable generally as drugs.
From what I read this is entirely false. There can be circumstances in which people get psychologically dependent on them, but that seems to be nothing like the physical dependence that results from long term heroin use.
So the comparison to heroin in respect of addictive properties does indeed seem to be false.
Pinball1970
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Absolutely, heroin is an absolute breeze to ditch once you are hooked. RFK quit many times during his 14 year addiction.
sculptor
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clarification:
After much searching I found the original from Robert F, Kennedy jr.
It was anecdotal.
Meanwhile, I found several variations of the claim in the disputed headline.
It began to seem that the supposed "information super highway" had become the disinformation super highway.
What rfk.jr. said was that while he found quitting heroin relatively easy with 2 or 3 days of physical discomfort while a family member was suffering for weeks after quitting Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors stating that he or she(?) did not want to live and only did not end it due to the attachment to family.
"...to hear your words twisted by knaves to make trap for fools..."
indeed
After much searching I found the original from Robert F, Kennedy jr.
It was anecdotal.
Meanwhile, I found several variations of the claim in the disputed headline.
It began to seem that the supposed "information super highway" had become the disinformation super highway.
What rfk.jr. said was that while he found quitting heroin relatively easy with 2 or 3 days of physical discomfort while a family member was suffering for weeks after quitting Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors stating that he or she(?) did not want to live and only did not end it due to the attachment to family.
"...to hear your words twisted by knaves to make trap for fools..."
indeed
RFK Jr: "I know people, including members of my family, who’ve had a much worse time getting off SSRIs than people have getting off heroin."
Sounds like you are yet another victim of right wing misinformation. Lot of that going around.