Religion will prevail

No matter how hard the non-believers work hard to debunk religion, no matter what... religion always prevails.

Religion appeared before science and while science is always in trial and error, changing its principles, changing its doctrines, changing and changing and never fully understanding the universe... on the other hand, religion always adds new information without changing any of its doctrines.

Religion is the sure winner, because is inspired, is taught and given by a higher source of knowledge.

Science is just human efforts, destined to failure as soon as a newer discovery becomes the new fade, and the trend continues generation after generation.

Religion foresees while science invents, religion gives hope while science only reaches comfort.

At the end of the day, religion will be the sure winner.

Luchito.... do you think that near death experiences both by the religious as well as by Atheists may be setting up a time period in which the religious and the irreligious find more common ground that we can agree on?

Some of these brushes with death produce an attitude that indicates that religious differences are something of a psychological test that all of us need to learn to pass????????

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

9. What Is the Best Religion?
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I asked God: "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?" And Godhead said, with great love: "I don’t care." That was incredible grace.



They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

Former Atheist Howard Storm asked a similar question... and got back a similar answer......


https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a03

I asked them, for example, which was the best religion. I was looking for an answer which was like, "Presbyterians." I figured these guys were all Christians. The answer I got was, "The best religion is the religion that brings you closest to God."

Asking them if there was life on other planets, their surprising answer was that the universe was full of life.
 
Yeah. It's a habit of mine.

Definitively debate is not your thing, you were supposed to give coherent replies... ha ha ha ha

Well, you got one out of three. Next time you might get three out of three, if you try hard.

I guess I'm doing better than you, you have zero out of nothing. -Lol (answers after four full cups of wine in a Passover celebration, so excuse my French)

Yes. You won't find religion inventing computers, or your next mobile phone, or a solar panel. We need science for that stuff.

And why you will need those things for temporary comfort while religion offers you eternal life?

I'm not so sure. Different interpretors of religion don't always make it better. It's more of a roller coaster, as the historical evidence suggests.

Regardless of that, the doctrine stays.

That's wrong. The definition of "natural selection" hasn't changed since Darwin.

Sure, find in today's definition the part saying species passing thru "slow and favorable steps" for natural selection to work, a essential requisite given by Darwin. It appears you didn't prepare yourself before answering my message.

You didn't answer my question.

To remind you: you claimed that religion comes from a "higher source of knowledge". I asked you "How do you know?"

Man has limitations while wisdom comes from a greater source. Do not confuse intellect and intelligence with wisdom. You can take four hours teaching and demonstrating what gravity is according to your studies, such is intelligence and intellect. I take five minutes and using regular objects demonstrate what gravity is with greater accuracy, such is wisdom.

I ask you to explain step by step the process of how time dilates when a body travels at fast speeds, then your intelligence and intellect will be zero. Then you will realize somebody has make you a fool. You weren't wise enough from the very beginning to ask and check about the process involved in such (imaginary) dilatation of time) to consider such a theory as science.

From religion you learn wisdom, and this wisdom can reach more knowledge in minutes than years and years of you studying good for nothing theories.

Only a greater source can provide such a wisdom.

It depends on the belief.

If I believe that Godzilla is in my garage, you can prove me wrong by going and taking a look, for instance.
Some beliefs are harder to refute than others, of course.
But surely you already knew this?

Here we are discussing about "religious belief", why are you giving such incoherent answers?

(Now let me go, I'm going to recover the Afikomen from behind the refrigerator, the dumb child never found where I hid that piece of hard bread... ha ha ha ha )[/QUOTE]
 
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Are you free next Sunday?
No sorry. I'm giving a talk (to informal to be a lecture :)) to a protest group outside my house, trying to explain about evolution, big bang, age of cosmos. You know all the simple stuff

:)
 
Luchito:

Definitively debate is not your thing, you were supposed to give coherent replies... ha ha ha ha
Maybe you're not too good at identifying coherent replies.
And why you will need those things for temporary comfort while religion offers you eternal life?
Religion offers eternal life, but can it delivery on the promise? That's the question.
Sure, find in today's definition the part saying species passing thru "slow and favorable steps" for natural selection to work, a essential requisite given by Darwin. It appears you didn't prepare yourself before answering my message.
You seem to be quibbling at the edges by insisting on a particular form of words. Besides, natural selection is not the source of diversity. It is simply what produces adaptation.
Man has limitations while wisdom comes from a greater source.
Rather than trying to answer my question, you're just repeating what you said before.

How do you know there is a "greater source"? Your "greater source" is God, right? So tell me how you know God is real.
Do not confuse intellect and intelligence with wisdom. You can take four hours teaching and demonstrating what gravity is according to your studies, such is intelligence and intellect. I take five minutes and using regular objects demonstrate what gravity is with greater accuracy, such is wisdom.
I'm skeptical of your claim about "greater accuracy" in your example.
I ask you to explain step by step the process of how time dilates when a body travels at fast speeds, then your intelligence and intellect will be zero.
You underestimate me.
Then you will realize somebody has make you a fool. You weren't wise enough from the very beginning to ask and check about the process involved in such (imaginary) dilatation of time) to consider such a theory as science.
Unfortunately, you're wrong again. I was wise enough to ask and check. As a result, I understand quite clearly the "process" involved in time dilation. We can have a chat about it in a different thread, if you have questions.
From religion you learn wisdom, and this wisdom can reach more knowledge in minutes than years and years of you studying good for nothing theories.
Can you please give one example?
Only a greater source can provide such a wisdom.
How do you know?
 
This one is fun:

Hinduism is not that old, you have received erroneous information. Hinduism comes from the junction of two religions, the religion of Abraham mixed with the Egiptian religion. When Sarah ordered the depart of her slave, the Egyptian Hagar, the servant carried her son Ishmael with her. From her son the Bible narrates 12 tribes, who were children of Ishmael. These children separated themselves to different directions. The ones reaching the zone of India, were Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hebrew names related to hearing, speaking and sighting, represented later as three monkeys never revealing the origin and identity of their religion, hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil. (the Hebrew word refers to cloudy, as when you can't see thru fog).

The authority or excellency word "Rajah" in India is the mixture of the name of the two gods, the god "Yah" (or Jah) from Abraham, and the god "Ra" from Hagar. Also, the Hindu Brahma is a derivative of Abraham. In reality the Hindu religion is newest that what you think it is.

What is your source for this telling of history?
 
Hinduism is not that old, you have received erroneous information. Hinduism comes from the junction of two religions, the religion of Abraham mixed with the Egiptian religion.
Where on earth are you getting your "facts" from??
Also, the Hindu Brahma is a derivative of Abraham.
No more so than humans evolved from gorillas, I'd imagine. Brahma and Abraham may both be derived from the same source word, though, but to say that one is derived from the other is likely erroneous. But I'm happy to wait for you to provide sources to support your claim.
 
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No sorry. I'm giving a talk (to informal to be a lecture :)) to a protest group outside my house, trying to explain about evolution, big bang, age of cosmos. You know all the simple stuff

:)
So, next Sunday that group of people will be watching cartoons...
 
Where on earth are you getting your "facts" from??
No more so than humans evolved from gorillas, I'd imagine. Brahma and Abraham may both be derived from the same source word, though, but to say that one is derived from the other is likely erroneous. But I'm happy to wait for you to provide sources to support your claim.
Read the bible.
 
Luchito:

Religion offers eternal life, but can it delivery on the promise? That's the question.

Of course it will.

You seem to be quibbling at the edges by insisting on a particular form of words. Besides, natural selection is not the source of diversity. It is simply what produces adaptation.

Evolution is so dumb. Species do not adapt to a new environment as if species have power to adapt. You have misunderstood nature. Species just survive after a change in their environment. That's all. There is not such thing a the "better adapted" and similar nonsense. It is how lucky is the species to be at the right or wrong place when changes happen. Wake up.

Rather than trying to answer my question, you're just repeating what you said before.

How do you know there is a "greater source"? Your "greater source" is God, right? So tell me how you know God is real.

If I tell you I will have to ki... no... wait, let me find another answer...

I'm skeptical of your claim about "greater accuracy" in your example.

You underestimate me.

Unfortunately, you're wrong again. I was wise enough to ask and check. As a result, I understand quite clearly the "process" involved in time dilation. We can have a chat about it in a different thread, if you have questions.

Now you have started to talk peanuts.

There is not a single release as a book or paper in a science journal explaining the process of how time dilates when a body travels at high speeds. For this task the observer must have to show time before dilatation, time when dilates by cause of the object, and time after the body has passed by.

As you can see, we don't need to open any new topic somewhere in these forums, the idea of time dilatation is pure crap. Such theory of relativity is not science.

Not in vain I have been called o mais grande do mundo.
Can you please give one example?

I am debunking relativity and breaking it in pieces in front of your eyes, and this is an easy task when you enjoy wisdom.
 
Read the bible.
I have done, thanks. So where are you getting your "facts" from? If you think they are from the Bible, please give chapter and verse that points to the factual nature of your claims. That would at least be a start, even before we consider whether the Bible is a good place to estsablish fact.

Otherwise all you're doing is talking shit, with nothing more than your confidence and ignorance to support th
 
Luchito:

It seems to be your habit to bluster and preen, all while providing nothing in the way of actual evidence or argument to support your claims. The little you do say on the content of just about any subject tends to be wrong. I don't think I need to take you seriously.
Evolution is so dumb.
Do you realise that you can't disprove evolution by attempting to insult in into non-existence? I don't know why you bother saying things like "evolution is dumb" or "relativity is dumb" or whatever. If you've got no arguments to offer up, nobody actually cares that you think those things are dumb.

When you're talking to me, you might as well drop that act. It isn't advancing your case at all. You should start providing some reasons why evolution is wrong, or evolution doesn't work, or whatever. So far, you're just making yourself out to be another brainless science denier. It seems to me that you have the capacity to do a little better than that, at least. Want to try?

Species do not adapt to a new environment as if species have power to adapt. You have misunderstood nature. Species just survive after a change in their environment. That's all. There is not such thing a the "better adapted" and similar nonsense. It is how lucky is the species to be at the right or wrong place when changes happen. Wake up.
That's a silly claim you're making, if you stop to think about it.

Consider two groups of insects of the same species that, due to a small genetic variation, differ in the degree to which they look like leaves. Birds happen to like eating those insects, if they can find them. What do we expect to happen over time? Here's what: we expect that, over time, the birds will tends to eat more of the insects that have the worse camouflage. Some insects will be eaten before they reproduce. Over many generations, we would expect the insect population to be dominated by the better-camouflaged variant of this insect, because the numbers of worse-camouflaged insects will have been relatively more depleted due to bird attack.

In what sense would it be wrong to say that, in this example, over time the insect species as a whole has "adapted" to better camouflage itself?

You seem muddled in your understanding of how the process works. It is important to realise that the variation between those insect groups was not produced by individuals developing a "power to adapt", or anything like that. The variation was a genetic accident, a random occurrence. Also note that, in this example, there was no change in the environment. Nevertheless, one group of insects was "better adapted", in the sense of having a greater chance of surviving. This is something you claim is impossible, without, of course, being able to back up your empty claim with anything, as usual.

On the matter of "luck", I guess you could say that the better-camouflaged insects were "lucky" to get their particular genetic mutation, if you want to put it that way. But the fact that they would come to dominate the population of those insects has nothing to do with luck, once the variation is in place. The reason they come to dominate is natural selection, which, again, is something you deny the existence of.

It seems clear that you have been poorly taught about evolution, and/or you have developed some bad misconceptions about it. I think you probably need to start again and learn what the theory is actually about. Then you'll be in a better position to discuss it without making yourself look like an idiot.

If you have questions, I can probably help you.
If I tell you I will have to ki... no... wait, let me find another answer...
You don't know how you know, then? Figures.
There is not a single release as a book or paper in a science journal explaining the process of how time dilates when a body travels at high speeds. For this task the observer must have to show time before dilatation, time when dilates by cause of the object, and time after the body has passed by.
On the contrary, any reasonable introductory text on relativity will explain how and why time dilation occurs. Maybe you should try to acquire one.
I am debunking relativity and breaking it in pieces in front of your eyes, and this is an easy task when you enjoy wisdom.
This "debunking" of yours is an example of wisdom gifted to your by your God or your religion, is it?

Your God must be an insignificant God indeed, if this is the best he has to offer.
 
What is an understanding of the bible beyond allegory?


I believe that before the time of Noah in the Bible we had people even smarter than Einstein who lived five, six, seven or eight centuries or more and
technological development during that time period was amazingly rapid, much like is happening now. The Jewish Bible as well as many ancient Jewish writings give us a view of history that
teach us a lot about the next decades.

What happened back then is relevant for our next ten decades as we play around with cloning and genetic manipulation.
 
If your belief is what would prevent our own self demise, sign me up!

I guess.


I am convinced that there are no miracles.....
just higher and higher and higher levels of technology.... especially technology demonstrated from life forms much older and wiser than us humans.
The resurrection of Lazarus after being dead for four days is actually the same
type of technology used to give near death experiencer Mr. Dean Braxton the ability to come back after flatlining for an hour and forty five minutes.
It is considered a miracle that he did not lose all of his fingers and all of his toes after flatlining for so long.

His wife.... knows things about how to pray that I would sure love to learn???!!
My wife knows some of the stuff that Mrs. Marilyn Braxton knows about. She has been teaching me since the year 2000.


DEAN BRAXTON INTERVIEW (Full-length) with Dr Cecil Stewart OBE

On the negative side... Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan also has some amazing technology for confusing us and luring us into ego?!

Ego is that thing that helps us learn what LOVE is by showing us what it is not. All things on Earth must come to a place of balance. All things must have a parallel. This is how we are each caused to grow Spiritually. Just as a face (due to gravity) may wrinkle with time, so does a Soul become weighed down with ego. Ego is always LOVE'S opposite. Love raises vibration and ego lowers it. Ego is a mental essence that each of us is made to endure for as long as we walk the planet. Ego is that thing that tells us in our mind, "No you can't do that ... because you're not talented, thin, good-looking, wealthy, intelligent, young, strong, interesting or intuitive ENOUGH!" This is the voice of the Liar. The Liar is the voice of ego. Let me put it this way: wherever there is separation, condemnation, self-doubt, lack-mentality, bitterness, hostility or segregation ... you can best be sure ego is not far behind." (Christian Andreason)
https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a13
 
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