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billvon said:
That is VERY close to the "black people use the word n*gger so why can't I use it?" argument.
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If black men stopped calling each other n*gger, would that stop black men disrespecting black or white women?
Is it a race matter?
Again, if black people stopped calling white people whitey, would that stop black men disrespecting black or white women?
 
"No clear evidence of an effect on sexual violence" equals already maxed out on that sub-category? Probably not.
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Can a warming climate put women at greater risk?
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1143846

INTRO: Unusually warm periods could have a link to an increased risk of intimate partner violence against women, according to a new IIASA-led study covering 31 countries in sub-Saharan Africa. The findings highlight how rising temperatures may compound existing risks of violence, with effects varying between demographic groups.

The study, published in Global Environmental Change, brought together researchers from institutions in Austria, New Zealand, and South Africa. It draws on data from 61 Demographic and Health Surveys conducted between 2003 and 2024 among women aged 15 to 49 across sub-Saharan Africa. The researchers examined the relationship between unusually warm conditions and reported violence, and explored how the number and share of women affected could change by 2050 under different climate and socioeconomic scenarios.

The results indicate that unusually warm conditions increase the risk of intimate partner violence, particularly emotional and physical violence. The researchers found no clear evidence of an effect on sexual violence... (MORE - no ads)
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billvon said:
It wouldn't stop it. It would reduce it a bit.



Nope, it's a normalization-of-contempt matter.
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The butt of a joke does not always mean contempt, disrespect or disregard is directed that way.
Men, women, the clergy, Drs, Lawyers, Irish, English, catholics, atheists are targeted because of traits associated with that group.
Within that group someone could joke about me in 5 different ways technically.
It does not mean hate or gateway.
Is every chemist a potential bomb maker and terrorist? If not why not? They have the knowledge, the skills, sometimes they may have spare lab time and handy ingredients?
Perhaps chemists on the whole do not want to be terrorists? The ones that do would have found a way to do harm if chemistry was not an option?
 
Pinball1970 said:
The butt of a joke does not always mean contempt, disrespect or disregard is directed that way.
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Of course. Most jokes aren't intended that way. But calling someone a n*gger to "be funny" or a c*nt because "it's part of the joke dude, chill out" generally is.

Is every chemist a potential bomb maker and terrorist? If not why not? They have the knowledge, the skills, sometimes they may have spare lab time and handy ingredients? Perhaps chemists on the whole do not want to be terrorists? The ones that do would have found a way to do harm if chemistry was not an option?
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Sorry have no idea what this has to do with the topic.
 
billvon said:
Of course. Most jokes aren't intended that way. But calling someone a n*gger to "be funny" or a c*nt because "it's part of the joke dude, chill out" generally is.
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The N word is not funny and is not the same thing, it is a direct racist insult. Making a joke about a woman because she is a woman can be funny, no one suggested calling her a fucking whore or cunt so stick to the point I made.
 
C C said:
"No clear evidence of an effect on sexual violence" equals already maxed out on that sub-category? Probably not.
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Can a warming climate put women at greater risk?
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1143846

INTRO: Unusually warm periods could have a link to an increased risk of intimate partner violence against women, according to a new IIASA-led study covering 31 countries in sub-Saharan Africa. The findings highlight how rising temperatures may compound existing risks of violence, with effects varying between demographic groups.

The study, published in Global Environmental Change, brought together researchers from institutions in Austria, New Zealand, and South Africa. It draws on data from 61 Demographic and Health Surveys conducted between 2003 and 2024 among women aged 15 to 49 across sub-Saharan Africa. The researchers examined the relationship between unusually warm conditions and reported violence, and explored how the number and share of women affected could change by 2050 under different climate and socioeconomic scenarios.

The results indicate that unusually warm conditions increase the risk of intimate partner violence, particularly emotional and physical violence. The researchers found no clear evidence of an effect on sexual violence... (MORE - no ads)
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From what I've gleaned this is one subset of what psychologists call the Long Hot Summer effect - a general violence amplifier. Places which have been historically sweltering might tend to have more "laid back" cultural norms in place, acting as a buffer on the LHS effect. But unusual heat would override that in less stable personalities.
 
Pinball1970 said:
The N word is not funny and is not the same thing, it is a direct racist insult. Making a joke about a woman because she is a woman can be funny, no one suggested calling her a fucking whore or cunt so stick to the point I made.
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How about raping her then? That was your example.
 
billvon said:
Sorry have no idea what this has to do with the topic.
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We are talking gateway behaviours. Telling jokes about women can lead to rape, I think that is fucking stupid bullshit.

A chemist doing chemistry can lead to bomb making, is this stupid as well or not?
A guy doing chemistry all day? I was that guy, 8 hours a day from 1990-2007 on and off.
I still do a little bit with the kit we have, why don't I make bombs to fix problems?
If you want something more direct, why don't I go around killing animals for fun? Each chemical has an MSDS with LD50 and LC50, Those animals served a purpose, that purpose was to die for my data, 50% from being poisoned and the rest euthanized. It's almost like they are subhuman, inferior, and here for our pleasure. Why don't I take pleasure from shooting rabbits, birds, rats in my spare time? For fun? Are not animals dehumanized in my eyes, like women jokes?
 
Pretty certain I found jokes funny about lots of things I would not do myself for lots of reasons. You? Or do only tell jokes that are realistic? Things you would do?
 
TheVat said:
From what I've gleaned this is one subset of what psychologists call the Long Hot Summer effect - a general violence amplifier. Places which have been historically sweltering might tend to have more "laid back" cultural norms in place, acting as a buffer on the LHS effect. But unusual heat would override that in less stable personalities.
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I live in Manchester so the temperature barely gets above 20C. When it his 25C are so hot and bothered they don't have the energy for violence.
 
Oh BTW in the interests of transparency, I did NOT tell the joke. A thought occurred to me, statistically one of those girls could have been sexually assaulted or worse so the joke would not have been a good move.
So, I put my money where my mouth is, read the room and STFU.
When is ok to tell the joke, I would say, among mail friends/rarely and when you are 18-21 which is when I heard it.

So, I would say I am 1-2 down at this point. It would be better 0-2 but the female linesman missed an offside.
 
Pinball1970 said:
We are talking gateway behaviours. Telling jokes about women can lead to rape, I think that is fucking stupid bullshit.
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No that is NOT the argument being made.

Look, Trump called a bunch of Neo-Nazis "very good people". That doesn't make YOU, pinball, want to lynch black people, what it does is generate a widespread CULTURE of racism that EMBOLDENS those who are racist.

Likewise, in a culture that promulgates sexual assault and rape as humorous, it encourages a lot of men to be more open and sexist in their lives. And that means some of them will assault women becasue they think they can.

Behavior in a population falls on a Bell curve. Societal acceptance of a behavior moves the peak of the Bell Curve.
 
Probably most jokes describing something extreme are understood as using the extreme thing to deliberately contrast with our ordinary behavior. We tell cannibal jokes, it's clear no one is trying to make cannibalism more palatable acceptable.

Sexual abuse, being far more prevalent than cannibalism, and having far more assaultive forms, is a topic that cuts too close to reality. Probably the only jokes about it that are acceptable are those that target the depraved and/or pathetic nature of the sexual abuser. That serves the purpose of respite from fear. One is less scared of something awful when one is laughing at it. And this form of joke is not likely to have the unfortunate validating effect on the dark end of the bell curve. It's more like what Mel Brooks did, in some of his movies: he doesn't laugh at gas chambers but he does laugh at the Nazis as pathetic posturing idiots or whatever.
 
DaveC426913 bad taste can be funny, sometimes it's funny because it's in bad taste, it's a case by case.
There were probably some jokes about Ann Widdecombe right after her murder, they usually circulate after a tragic event. Bad taste, childish BUT you will have a hard time convincing me that a joke about her murder, will plant a seed in a 14 year olds brain that battering old people is ok, because they are old, Tory, women.
 
Pinball1970 said:
I wish you would stop with N word. Yes I found the joke funny and explained why.
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?? You made an argument. It falls apart when examined. I'm happy to drop it - all it requires is you seeing that rape jokes are NO MORE acceptable than n*word comments.

Whats the diff?
 
TheVat said:
cannibalism more palatable acceptable.
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That's a joke yet some serial killers ate their victims. I hope you realise that will now normalize that behaviour for serial killers. They may have just kept on the straight path to repeat kills in the same profile without the cabalistic feature but now that joke is out....
Fiend.
 
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